Why should I uninstall MSE? It once caught a virus i got from battlelog.net and quarantined it before I even realized. it might not be as good as avast, but its so lightweight and conflicts with nothing. I like the extra protection.

Source : Bleeping Computer

Using more than one anti-virus program is not advisable. Why? The primary concern with doing so is due to Windows resource management and significant conflicts that can arise especially when they are running in real-time protection mode simultaneously. Even if one of them is disabled for use as a stand-alone on demand scanner, it can affect the other and cause conflicts. Anti-virus software components insert themselves deep into the operating systems core where they install kernel mode drivers that load at boot-up regardless of whether real-time protection is enabled or not. Thus, using multiple anti-virus solutions can result in kernel mode conflicts causing system instability, catastrophic crashes, slow performance and waste vital system resources. When actively running in the background while connected to the Internet, each anti-virus may try to update their definition databases at the same time. As the programs compete for resources required to download the necessary files this often can result in sluggish system performance or unresponsive behavior.

When scanning engines are initiated, each anti-virus may interpret the activity of the other as suspicious behavior and there is a greater chance of them alerting you to a “false positive”. If one finds a virus or a suspicious file and then the other also finds the same, both programs will be competing over exclusive rights on dealing with that threat. Each anti-virus may attempt to remove the offending file and quarantine it at the same time resulting in a resource management issue as to which program gets permission to act first. If one anit-virus finds and quarantines the file before the other one does, then you may encounter the problem of both wanting to scan each other’s zipped or archived files and each reporting the other’s quarantined contents. This can lead to a repetitive cycle of endless alerts that continually warn you that a threat has been found after it has already been neutralized.

Anti-virus scanners use virus definitions to check for malware and these can include a fragment of the virus code which may be recognized by other anti-virus programs as the virus itself. Because of this, many anti-virus vendors encrypt their definitions so that they do not trigger a false alarm when scanned by other security programs. Other vendors do not encrypt their definitions and they can trigger false alarms when detected by the resident anti-virus. Further, dual installation is not always possible because most of the newer anti-virus programs will detect the presence of another and may insist that one be removed prior to its installation. If the installation does complete with another anti-virus already installed, you may encounter issues like system freezing, unresponsiveness or similar symptoms as described above while trying to use it.

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Microsoft and major Anti-virus vendors recommend that you install and run only one anti-virus program at a time

“You don’t need to install more than one antivirus program. In fact, running more than one antivirus program at the same time can cause conflicts and errors that make your antivirus protection less effective or not effective at all.”

well I know what the general consensus has been over the years. but I’m an avid gamer. So i know all about tweaking my windows for performance. And running them both is not really affecting my gaming, which is all that matters to me. I don’t crash at all. as long a they don’t idle scan in the middle of my game and thrash hdd which is rare i don’t lose any performance, mse did a couple times but not usually all is well. Its the reason I got rid of norton.

Except well like I said all the pcs’ in my house recently died in the same week recently. I had to replace a vid card on this one. I did crash for the first time ever on this pc in 3 years the other day. After i deleted everyone of my friends list, which was bizarre. but it might of been from gaming for 12 hours straight and as I launched the next match the pc shut off. Maybe the PSU couldn’t take anymore. I check my heat regularly and got no alarms.

But i’ve never blacked screened besides when my vid card died. And I think i i’ve only got one BSOD in over 3 years on this pc ever, i can’t even remember one ever happening. nothing ever crashes on my pc except firefox sometimes. mwo has been crashing on me, but that was due to a bug in their recent patch which they are addressing.

I’m just very worried about the fact my vid card died, and my pc recently lost power. The psu is only a year old and its a decent corsair model. These are the same symptoms the other pcs have had before the motherboards got bricked. but im’ still chalking it up to the fact i gamed for 12 hours straight which I’ve never done before on this pc lol.

But these things always occur this time of year!

But, ya as far as running them side by side, i notice no conflicts or slow downs in my game performance which is a good barmometer. like i said I’ve never had a bsod, and have only black screened recently after all the pcs in my house died…

But it certainly feels like the viruses eat up your dvd drive firmware first, we go through them like water in my house, then the vid card and monitor is next to go, then the mobo eventually. I feel like its only a matter of time for mine. :frowning: Hopefully i’m just being paranoid. But its like I can’t get rid of this virus for years!!

I play intensive games with no issues which is all that matters for me and is the best test :wink: MSE is so lightweight its great. and like I said it found a virus from battlelog.net without me even knowing, i don’t want to give up that extra protection.

as far as that mysterious update for MSE. a manual update showed nothing, and windows update showed nothing.

Maybe mcafee is the only one thats correct!

Here we go again, seriously…

It just determined it as suspicous…

The file you linked to download is you right click it for properties, you’ll see it’s an anti-malware update file…

I understand what it supposedly is. I came to the same conclusion with google. But there is no way i’m downloading that file, I linked what was in the avast logs. I think maybe I should delete that from the forums i didn’t realize it was a clickable and downloadable link, jeez thats my fault.

Supposedly avast blocked that connection…and I’m telling you windows update showed no new updates for MSE, and neither did MSE itself when I checked. So either Avast didn’t actually block it, or its very suspicious imo indeed…

It suspicous whatever way you think of it but it is NOT Malware.

how do you know? Because it says windowsupdate.com? lmao

You should change the link in your quote, matter fact i’m also deleting my hijackthis info, don’t know what I was thinking…

  1. It does not have malicous behavious
  2. The file is digitally signed by Microsoft
  3. I submitted it to Virustotal and none submitted it as malware. One came as suspicious and that was a false positive.

See image attached…

well according the avast popup, it was not digitally signed. which is another reason i went with the default advice to abort the connection. MSE does use HTTP to update though, which at the time i forgot and was also a red flag to me. You’d think they would use https. or not http at all.

But regardless,
And again, I’m telling you when i went to manually update my MSE, there was no new update…

I think i should see if MSE has a forum and bring up the topic there.

Here is the screenshot for the digital signature…

I’ll take your word for it… usually they look like this though don’t they?
for example wermgr.exe

Microsoft Corporation
Windows Problem Reporting
WerMgr
© Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.
WerMgr
Microsoft® Windows® Operating System
6.1.7600.16385

I’m just telling you what the avast popup told me. I wish I would of screenshot it. and It has never happened before ever and i’ve been running these two for almost a year. 3 months on this fresh install.

I’ve posted the question at answers.microsoft.com.

Additional info from MS…

http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/protect/forum/mse-protect_start/am-delta-patch-mpcmdrunexe/da6630bc-07f7-4573-9a00-a53775880217?msgId=9f1d34a7-b407-4c31-9ca5-fed2743accb5

interesting thread… Its no wonder those people are having issues since they are using windows xp which is extremely vulnerable, almost to the point its obsolete and unusable for most. In fact i have seen the same exact issue on an xp machine. Yes its one of the machines that eventually died in my house I believe due to a virus. What those people are describing was one of the symptoms imo. I’ve seen that exact issue on xp though, the MSE update hanging the pc and taking forever which should not happen at all. Unlike windows 7, you can not identify all the process use when this occurs, it is unknown what is eating up the cpu resources when this happens because there is no way to identify it, even with process explorer from sys internals I believe.

Here is the thread I have started on that site regarding my particular issue: http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/protect/forum/mse-protect_updating/is-this-link-safe-and-related-to-mse/b9dc6281-af61-41de-a9b5-2d38ec1c9f2c

I myself feel I may have to abandon using pc’s in the future. Its just not worth the cost anymore with alternatives that are just as good and cheaper, like phones, game consoles and cheap netbooks. so many viruses and malicious hackers out there its just not worth it anymore. I don blame the ipad and phones. I blame viruses and hackers, They are what is actually killing the industry and stalling our evolution and stifling our individual potential for true computing power. Its depressing.

This mess all seems connected somehow:
While my W10P HP Envy was browsing w/ Firefox, I turned on Settings> Win Defender> LimPerScan,
and immediately received(attached JPG:) 3 Avast warnings (which stupidly prevents text capture for research >:() & browsing failed (refreshed browsers seem fine).
Ms is getting more stupid about signing its stuff, but I still aborted them.
Then, trying to ‘remove the file’, searching C:\ for “am_delta_”, Windows Explorer found ONLY “background.js” which Notepad.exe indicates is from Blur by Abine Inc. (which I have used for several years.) but text search canNOT find that text in that file. :-[
Is there still/now a problem with Avast Premium and WDefender ‘occasional scan’,
or has someone tried to sneak in on Ms sloppiness again, or …?
PS: This post’s “Attach” tool GUI is poor(no att confirmation), & [Preview] of this post prevents attachment viewing, which makes Avast’s ‘error text capture prevention’ all the more obnoxious.