:stuck_out_tongue: yuggy, I found thunderbird was doing wrong things with everything, well that is an exageration, scuse spelling, I tried it but oh wow, it a no go area for this mouse, I had been using Incredimail for the past 3years, but have got rid of it too many spies in it, so now only use outlook Express and creat my own stationay, with pretty things, like mice :smiley: