Avast Free Auto Renewed for 3 More Months -- Why/How?

I apologize everyone that my English isn’t quite up to par and some of you aren’t understanding what happened.

Let me clear up a little misunderstanding, please.

MSE was not put into realtime status until Avast had expired.

I was/am thinking that when Avast is listed as expired it is no longer active, and that gap shown in the logs seems to back up/support that claim.

So I had MSE in an active mode (after Avast expired) and I had no warning that Avast is going to go active and that’s when I am suddenly running two active anti-virus programs.

And to reiterate a related point, I did not activate Avast.

That can only mean that I was not responsible for two active anti-virus programs running at the same time on this unit.

Are there any questions about the timing of the events outlined above?

Thank you.

Oh yes, I should apologize if that explanation above comes across as a little sarcastic. This whole mess hasn’t set well with me and … Well, I’ll leave it at that – my apologies

I would now like to ask a question on a related matter, and posted above by a couple of you good folks.

Where exactly can be found the research/testing and published results that having an expired anti-virus program is going to interfere with an active anti-virus program? Documentation, please, is what I am asking for on that testing. Not opinion, thank you.

EDIT: I have found an article that seems to indicate an inactive program is not a problem. Seems, in addition, that we have two individuals stating this in the one article. Well, Brandon Gregg is cited.
http://lifehacker.com/5898756/why-you-shoulder-consider-using-more-than-one-antivirus-app


And, if you don’t mind, please stop accusing me of spamming and please cut with the “it’s common sense” statements. I’d ask you – you know who you are – I’d ask you to be more polite, but that just doesn’t seem to be your style, so I’ll be more specific with my requests. Thank you.

You are directly responsible for your own pc. Before you installed Avast you should have uninstalled MSE. Disabling it is not enough cause it’s drivers are still present. Again notice how no Avast employee has responded. Cause there is no point to your post. You let your subscription expire. After that you should have either registerd it or uninstalled it. The fact that you did nothing is directly your fault and no one else’s. So when your gallon of milk has expired and you do nothing with it except leave it in the fridge. Two weeks later you drink it and spit it out cause it’s horrible. Do you go back to the grocery store and blame them? No cause they did there job by having an expiration date on it. Just like Avast.

Thread closed. No further action needed.

Before I found out one shouldn’t have two AV programs installed on a computer I had both Avast and MSE. Didn’t really have any problems with my PC but I did uninstall MSE.

“Thread closed. No further action needed?” Wow!

Okey-dokey, I’ve got a little problem and need to backtrack a bit here.

Some of the local folks around me here that have been keeping abreast of this affair have pointed out to me that I made a mistake earlier.

They are stating that while my idea might be correct that the volunteer staff probably would not know the how or why of what happened, they certainly should be able to answer in another area that is also of importance.

They point out that the volunteer staff should, and probably do, know the documentation inside and out like nobody else on the site, so I should be addressing some questions to them.

I agree. I made a mistake.

So I have two questions, please.

1 Does the Avast product documentation explicitly advise a customer to uninstall an expired product, if the customer does not intend to reactivate the product?

2 Does the Avast product documentation explicitly warn customers that even an inactive anti-virus product installed on a computer containing an active Avast anti-virus product is a danger?

Thank you.

Basic pc knowledge my friend. If you are asking this of Avast then you might wanna go ahead and ask Symantec, Kaspersky, Avira, Panda and McAfee the same question. When ANY type of software is expired and you know longer want to use it then it is soully up to you to remove it. Why keep it if you no longer wish to use it. Just like downloading a 30 day trial. After the 30 days expire either you pay for it or uninstall it. If something has expired it is up to you to remove it. Plan as day. Clear as day.

You wanted documentation
http://www.avast.com/faq.php?article=AVKB11#

Thank you, craigb. That relates to Q2.

Any idea about Q1?

I believe it covers all questions asked if not as descriptive as you would like it.

Even if a product has expired or been disabled it should still be removed from the system, there will still be low level drivers that can interfere.

Another question which should be asked to you is why in the world would you want to keep an expired AV anyway ??? it’s useless, best off removed as it’s not worth the risk.

I figured somebody was going to ask that question, eventually.

I think you will recall that I stated last year I had to leave Avast. No need to go back into why. So I have allowed the licenses to expire on the other units one-by-one and on the Epson I noticed there was a kind of survey about why I was leaving or something like that and I thought that was fair enough and was going from page to page of the questions and then hit one page after stating on the previous that I would get another product and that next page asked me how much I was going to pay – multiple choice, if I remember correctly. At that time I thought that was a bit intrusive and just closed the survey. Then we got to talking about it here and one of my folks said I should have been doing screenshots and gone ahead and finished it, so I was planning on doing just that with this Dell, but never had the time. Then presto, come back from dinner one day, fire up the computer to go back to work and see I have a reactivated product. Heck, it had only been about 10 or 11 days since it had expired. Can’t be that is too long. Anyway, that answers your question, I think.

Now, about question one, I understand you are stating the answer is on that same page you provided the link for, yes?

And if you read that page very carefully it explicitly states that running two anti-virus programs at the same time is what is bad, and the reason given for uninstalling a third-party anti-virus program is to enable Avast to properly install. That page does not specifically address the issue of if being a danger for one product to be inactive while Avast is active. At least, I didn’t see it. Of course, we’re going to pick that wording apart, but I didn’t see it and there’s not a lot to read.

Anyway, I do appreciate that you provided the link to that page. I haven’t had as much time as I would’ve liked to study and search for pages like that. If you think of anything else, don’t hesitate to let me know, please. But I wish to repeat that I am looking for specifics – black and white – clearly spelled out warnings and such. That’s the way this business works. A company has to properly document certain things and this is an area where it is necessary. But they know that. Those lawyer folks gets tonnes of money to get it right and to see around corners.

But we still need to find out why this happened.

And there is another really big problem. It’s lucky I’m not so … well, I don’t know the right vocabulary, but I don’t wish to cause problems for Avast. But you see, Avast reactivated the product, but did not ask me to sign a new ToS or User Agreement. The original one was for the license for one year and the view around here is that when that product expired that ended that agreement. Company law departments are usually very, very careful about such things. I’d say they missed this time.

But as long as the tech people clearly understand why and how this happened I don’t mind signing the same agreement as before. You see the reason for the why and how? It’s rather important for me and the company. I want to know this isn’t some freak accident that may cause me problems and Avast probably would like me to sign that new agreement.

This is a lot more complicated than I suspect some folks at first realized, but lessons can be learned, and everything can be figured out, I’m sure. Just need some answers, that’s all. A little checking here. A little checking there. And everyone will go home happy. And you’re helping. Again, thank you.


EDITING was for all the stupid spelling mistakes, that’s all. Not substantive context changing.

Nothing complicated. Making mountains out of mole hills. Its expires either keep it or remove it. Have you ever installed trial software? I am sure you have. We all have. Once the trial has expired you either pay for it or remove it. Same concept. There is no problem here.

I don’t know why your avast software re-registered, whether avast does it as an offer or it’s a bug who knows ??? but the fact of the matter is it wouldn’t have happened if you removed the program once it expired if you weren’t willing to re-register directly.

Avast might not state anywhere in writing that you should uninstall when finished with the product as I believe that should be just common sense and users are responsible for there own computer and any software they install theron.

Thank you. Exactly what I have been saying all along.

I would hope that a bug like that would be of interest to their tech department.

As for my not having removed the expired product it is my choice unless I agree to the company’s request to do so. I had a valid reason not to do so and I haven’t yet seen anything that states I was required to do so. I have also yet to see the test/research paper that could be the rationale for the claim that an inactive anti-virus product can interfere with an active one. I see Avast stating an inactive virus program can cause installation problems for their product, but I haven’t seen the print that specifically states that an inactive product causes problems for an active one. And I have seen writings from people that are supposed to know about this business that state that, in fact, an inactive anti-virus program does not cause problems for the active one.

BUT the matter that most concerns me right now is why that product was reactivated. No matter the fact that I had not removed it. That is not an issue, as I did not agree to do that. And I haven’t found anything that stated they might reactivate it after a certain number of days.

Oh well, we’ll get to the bottom of this, for sure. And I appreciate your help and input, craigb. What we need is the tech folks to look into this. That’s a must. Obviously.

You CANNOT at ANYTIME have TWO antivirus programs installed. Its basic common knowledge. There is no getting to the bottom line. The problem was caused by you. Not Avast.

Okay, so I have a record here indicating that Avast Team member Milos spent a fair bit of time last night (about a quarter past 7pm) UTC reading this thread and we are now about halfway through the business day in the Czech Republic, so is it safe to assume the Avast Team will be informing me/us of what they have found out?

I mean, the key point of this thread is why this happened. How does an expired Avast account — expired at the conclusion of a one-year contract — how is it that that expired account came back to life?

Simple question. Easy to understand question. Maybe the answer won’t be so easy, but now that there’s documentation that an Avast Team member is aware of the question being on the table, so to speak, isn’t it safe to assume that courtesy requires this company answer the question or inform me they are looking for the answer? Just basic courtesy, that’s all. I’m not so sure this should have dragged out for as long as it has, but still …

Don’t know where you got your stats of the time spent viewing this topic or how accurate that timing might be. But Milos is in the virus labs team so I rather doubt he has an in depth knowledge of this area.

I appreciate the feedback, DavidR. Appreciate, too, that Milos might not be within his field of expertise when he reads about a particular problem a customer posts about, but I would hope that these engineers help each other out once in a while when it concerns customer service. One sees something that needs attention and a quick message to the appropriate section and you have good customer service. Online customer service, I should add.

In fact, DavidR, you were involved in what I think should be viewed as the yardstick for all customer support services wordwide. And especially here, as this is where it happened.

December 22, 2012, 03:33:33 PM - The OP

December 22, 2012, 03:39:19 PM - Avast Volunteer respondent

Reply #3 on: December 22, 2012, 05:04:04 PM » Avast Volunteer respondent (That was you, DavidR.
“It is 3rd party support service and I have reported this to an avast Team member.”

December 23, 2012, 09:26:35 PM - Avast Team member

All on record here:
http://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=111683.0

Oh yeah, that was on a weekend. Pretty darn good for a weekend to have an Avast team member responding within 30 hours.

Definitely the yardstick to judge by.

Wins the prize for weirdest thread ever. :-\

Spot on Alan
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