Actually religion is not much more physical than ones and zeros. Even less if you ask me 
One of our computers, I use Avast! Home and Comodo firewall with Defense plus. Although compared with Firewall function, Iām much less confident with the configuration of D+, I donāt think it lowers my defense than without it. I leave basic protection as default and take action when an application asks me to do so.
Hi patrice58:
Took a look at your responses on the other board this morning. Sometimes it seems like you are dealing with parrots (budgies in the UK?) rather than getting answers to your questions.
As Solcroft posted, D+ is really only effective if you know how to recognize that the behavior of an application is anomalous-and perhaps many of the D+ users overestimate their ability to do that with the tools D+ supplies. Especially with the tricks in names and behavior that malware can use. Thus the rise of behavior blockers that try to automate some of that for you. But if the release of the new CIS really happens this week, users can start to understand what is really there if they can pierce the rhetoric of the fans and get some objective evaluations. In the meantime, Avast! can provide proven additional protection. As others have pointed out, there can be some difficulty dealing with a cult dedicated to computer programs ???. Good luck; Ed. 
Shed, I know you named patrice58 specifically but please keep the discussion open. Iām bit puzzled here and, to be honest, I havenāt got even a slightest idea on your talks of religions and cults or what you may be implying with the rhetoric.
In one of my computers, I use the latest version (3.5.something) of Comodo firewall (means, no anti-virus). I use defense plus. It scanned the computer when it was installed and quite many applications were identified through the process. So, there is not manyt things left for the users. After that, at times it requires me to take some actions such as if I should allow a certain app to write on the hard disk or registry entryā¦which doesnāt seem to be so complicated to me. Or am I yet another user who overestimates my ability? I am asking this question since I am wondering if I am opening a security hole in my system through D+ or not, which is not what I want to do, of course.
I believe sded was referring to the crowd atmosphere at the Comodo forums, whereā¦ ahā¦ admiration - or, at least, non-dissent - towards the company are requirements for the privilege of posting there.
Itās too bad that most of the official staff who patrol the forum are quite militant towards dissension among the ranks. Many of the viruslab staff are nice people, as far as I can tell. ;D
Thanx for your reply, solcroft.
Actually, I was wondering if I should visit/register Comodo forum but I changed my mind after reading your comment. ;D This is the forum I most frequent and I guess Iām happy here. 
The discussions on HIPS (including D+) center around how a user tells whether a request (to write to a disk, for example) for an unknown program should be allowed or not. There are various approaches to this, including whitelists which show what known programs might do, but it basically up to your knowledge of what programs should be doing on your computer at the current time because of the āzero dayā problem. The fact that there are often lots of things going on in the background (like updates, etc.) further complicates the ability to do āsituational awarenessā. Behavior blockers, for example, attempt to characterize sequences of these activities that might be indicative of malware, rather than depending on you not to hit āallow and rememberā and having you do the characterization manually. And whether a program is known or not can be complicated by names like comodoa.exe or or svchst.exe being used by malware. Most of the time all of the popups are indeed harmless, which tends to lull the user into a sense of complacency. And remember that only a small percentage of the users of a security program even frequent forums like this and worries about problems like this, and so there is a large population of soft targets out there if much interaction is required. An AV (like Avast!) indeed only solves a percentage of the problem, but when it does there is a large āTHIS IS A VIRUS, DELETE OR QUARANTINE ITā sign that almost all users will understand, rather than a āc0modo.exe wants to ā¦ā.
My comment to Patrice58 was just that when I looked at his reference, there seemed to be one attempt to answer his questions, and several postings that were simply affirmations of faith about the Comodo AV claims for the future. Maybe there will be more help later?
Erm I am a āheā not a āsheā :o lol itās a easy mistake to make tho with my username being what it is and all.
Hi folks in this thread,
I worked avast next to COMODOBoClean for quite some time now, never an issue,
polonus
Sorry Patrice58; should have looked for the symbol instead of just at the name. I fixed the post and will get it right now. Regards; Ed.
Ah donāt worry I mean there is more in life to worry aboutā¦like Comodo or Avastā¦Lol. Iām Leon, BTW how did you become a mod on the forums or was in a case of itās not what you know itās who you know?
I was an early user of CFP3 beta for Vista because I wanted something better than the Vista Firewall that didnāt slow down the system a lot like the then current Zone Alarm did. There were a lot of early CFP3 beta problems in general, some that I could help users with (like with networks and protocols). I had registered at the Comodo site a couple of years before (tried v2 and didnāt like it) so they figured I must be an old timer and fan and asked me to be a mod, since I was spending time helping others anyway. It helped me to get more familiar with CFP and also using it with Avast! Not a good fit with their culture, but learned a lot and had some fun until it was time to move along.
I understand but what is security centre gonna report if I have C.I.S. (with realtime scanning turned off) and avast running?
If you donāt install (or do uninstall) the CIS AV, should be no problem with Avast! being there instead. Security center did work fine with that configuration, so new version should also. Usually canāt install two on-access AVs and just turn one of them off because of conflicts-the lower level drivers get loaded anyway, and you are just turning off their use. Will the latest CIS AV install in an on-demand mode so there is no conflict? If not, then the use of things like SAS and MBAM mentioned in the Comodo thread are excellent (free) offline alternatives. And a good thing to run weekly or so anyway.
I have some if not all of the on demand scanner tool things (check my sig) as for comodo no it wonāt the only way is to load it and then turn off the real time scanning of C.I.S and use another AV for your real time needs.
OK; looks like you are familiar with using them then. I do SAS weekly, sometimes MBAM also. When you install the new CIS, just donāt select installing the AV, and Security Center should work fine and show Avast! for antivirus and Comodo for firewall-at least it did on earlier CIS versions.
Yeah it will do in another life I did use Avast with Comodo (win xp) so I can have one or the other but not bothā¦(tut!)
sded, thank you for your explanation. I am enough to be around here to know that you are knowledgeable.
I find Defense Plus is more user friendly than System Security Monitor, if less configurable, but both has the same problem - there is always possibility that the users may allow malware to do their ājobsā. The same thing can be said about firewall. That said, personally, I think Comodo did a decent job in balancing accessibility and configurability with their 3.5 version. I think one of the important parts of security applications is that they should desirably let the users learn how their computer works normally and let them alerted when something is ādifferent.ā
BTW, even polonus recommends Comodo BoClean? Iām happy with CCleaner but more security focused one may not be a bad additionā¦hmmā¦
As for āsexā issue, I often use āhe/sheā when Iām unsure but, in English, it is much less problematic than in more āsexistā languages. ;D
I havenāt used BOClean, but others think well of it as a real time anti-malware. I donāt have any problems with D+ either, just for some of the claims for it as I tried to summarize. I used it for a year with no real problems except for things like logging-it is pretty opaque in what it does sometimes. There also seem to be some hidden rules that donāt show up anywhere. Another idea you might find interesting is Prevx Edge at http://www.prevx.com/prevxedge.asp. It does things like use an online whitelist/blacklist as a behavior analysis tool along with behavioral heuristics to try to alert to what might be a problem for you with a very short lag time. See http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showthread.php?t=230168 for a current discussion. Runs fine with Avast!, but I had some other issues that I couldnāt sort out, so will try the next release again. I also use CCleaner, although it is really a junk remover that in addition does a modest registry clean for obvious stuff. But there are a lot of experts who say that registry cleaners are now snake oil, and polls at places like Broadband Reports http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21710608~viewpoll=1#poll21710608 show that CCleaner is by far the most popular with experienced users. Lots of interesting stuff happening in the security world this year. And most of it seems to run fine with Avast!
No offence intended RejZoR.
For some of us Religion is a source of strength and hope in our lives.
For others,it becomes like nationalism,an excuse to close our mind
to āoutsidersā
We are OK on defending our family with some zeal,right?