I’ll get them out to you tonight. I appreciate the help. The pop settings are the same in both though. I copied the avast! settings from mozilla mail to thunderbird. Now Avast! scans Thunderbird mail too. Both Mozilla Mail and Thunderbird only send out with the SMTP settings that my hosting provider gave me… and ONLY on port 24 not port 25 ??? When I let Avast! modify the SMTP settings I am not able to send any mail out.