Yeah–imagine the 3 Stooges trying to deal with a HIPS based product. ;D
Chet, it would be helpful if you would cool things a bit here and try to be more collegial. The people here are not morons, and generally have a lot to offer-even if sometimes it is obvious or not quite correct observations, like everywhere else in the world. Avast! has over 150M users, a much larger scale than most, and in spite of a few excursions gets most of it done via the forum. I have been a user for about 6 years and find it among the best still for actually getting things done, having other users chase things down, generally trying to give at least semi-professional help and executing a lot of difficult cooperative tasks. It is not a belligerent youth corps like some you may have seen. So forget the dreaded Melih (I still dread him too 
) and any bad thoughts from Remove Malware (the youngest group I have ever seen) and join in without quite so much rancor. Avast! forum is not a fanboy club selling “Avast! or nothing”; help is freely given for things like OA, Private Firewall, even Comodo since many users prefer a HIPS to behavior blockers because they understand them better. Avast! (Vlk et al) are trying to build up the silent firewall because of the problems and high mistake potential of HIPS. But it is not an easy problem. If things don’t work quite right, you can at least blame it on Avast! instead of Avast! blaming it on you like with a HIPS.
Ed.
No whats pathetic. All you people are interest in is my past or making fun of me. But yet I joined up to help people. So far I see none of you helping anyone but yet I helped someone with a malware problem now I am helping out another member get back online. What are you guys doing? NOTHING.
The problem is the fact you don’t know how to help. It looks like you’re scolding the guys you’re helping.
Interesting…Think before you speak. Here are 2 examples.
I meant sometimes… :-\
Time to get out of this thread.
Sorry Dieselman, I was just asking trying to know your opinion about Comodo and its forum.
It’s clear for me now.
I quit.
Send me a PM Tech. We can talk there. Cheers.
No. I’ve got your answer yet
I won’t start a “hate-Comodo” PM or investigation.
I believe in software development and friendship. Here, there and everywhere.
I offer a summary of this thread. I am not trying to take sides, just posting what I saw:
Will Avast! have HIPS? →
Is HIPS essential to PC security? →
Can’t use BB and HIPS →
Diesel says yes, others say no →
A slightly snarky comment from Logos (post #25) and craigb (post #29) →
Firzen agrees with Diesel on using BB and HIPS →
HIPS vs. BB →
mag discusses disabling HIPS because of Avast! BS →
Diesel says use a fw without HIPS →
Debate between Logos and Diesel on effectiveness of fw without HIPS →
Questions about Diesel on other forums, (reply #81 is when it starts going downhill) →
Diesel calls Logos moron, says people are thick →
More talk about Diesel on other forums →
bri makes a vitriolic comment, and from there it’s mainly Diesel, Derry, and bri arguing.
As to who cast the first stone, it’s up to you.
Good night.
Exactltly…I came in here giving advice and answering questions and next thing everyone is all over me. Whatever.
BTW Brandonn2010…With Windows 7 Firewall set to Advanced Security you will score a 210/340 on the CLT test. With ZA Free you will score a 210/340. So you are gaining nothing by using ZA Free instead of Windows 7 firewall. Free up some resources and uninstall ZA Free.
You did convince me to drop Online Armor because I was tired of the HIPS, but I still like ZoneAlarm for its outbound protection, and I notice no system impact, though that could be my 8GB of RAM and quad-core CPU.
I even tried the new version of OA which was just released today. It runs 5 processes taking up about 60MB of ram. Even if you select “trust all” you will still get a million pop ups. Windows 7 has outbound control also if you configured it to do so. You can also just use Windows Firewall Control. Download the CLT test and you will see that Windows 7 firewall is just as and if not better then ZA Free. Also ZA Free scores extremely poor in the Matousec tests.
http://www.sphinx-soft.com/Vista/order.html
I posted a guide to configure Windows 7 firewall. So many people have no idea how good it is. Everyone is still think with an XP mind.
i was doing that until now
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back to the topic:
i will use a funny analogy for what i think Dieselman tried to explain and was not totally understood is :
will you ask your girlfriend to wear a female condom (the BB) when you alreasdy wear a male condom (HIPS)? of course you can wear both , but with the friction (both BB and HIPS trying to eradicate the malware) the lubricant goes off and then a hole MAY appear in both! letting the big bad virus to penetrate.
i think if both were fully compatible , both will be implemanted in every security suits.
+1 !! NICE analogy!!! 
VERY appropriate.
about the last part - I think some protection suites have started implementing a hybrid, as I saw in a post made by someone under this thread, a HIPS security that gets its popup questions answered by a smart BB 
I myself prefer not to get that many popups… and Avast does an amazing job by keeping it simple and user-friendly
I myself am not fully sure about HIPS and BB, but I have a couple of questions, does Windows 7 firewall have a HIPS ? If so, lets say that BB and HIPS cant run together which I think is true, What if we use Avast’s BB and windows firewall’s HIPS together? will both conflict when a situation arises where a threat gets in ? But some posts confirmed that firewalls dont use a HIPS, so in that case why did dieselman keep going on about windows and zone alarm FWs? How did firewalls get into the topic if it doesnt have anything to do with a HIPS ? ??? I’m thoroughly confused about that point… does some part of windows security ( the default set you get when you install windows) use a HIPS ? I did a bit of online research about it and my guess is it doesnt - MSE / Win7 FW neither of them use a HIPS.
and regarding the heavy arguments made earlier this is my honest conclusion - Other people started getting annoyed with dieselman because he refused to respect other people’s opinions, he was a bit arrogant and thats the reason this started going downhill…
@ dieselman - true enough you helped others ( atleast thats what you thought you did) but be a bit more considerate about others when you post a reply, you come out a bit too strong and a bit too self-righteous which can annoy others… So here after when you reply be a bit more “friendly”… Go through other posts and see how the other forum members help people. You can now take a cheap shot at me or read and understand what I said. Upto you my friend.
@drakul: windows FW dont have HIPS nor BB, only Comodo FW and few others have HIPS (as dieselman said earlier). i personaly use Comodo FW with avast(without BB) and immunet as cloud.
oh ok thanks! I thought HIPS/ BB has nothing to do with a FW ( as in a FW doesnt use HIPS) - after reading some posts made by certain members… But then they kept going on about Windows7 FW/ ZA FW / comodo D+ FW which got me confused, because IF a FW doesnt have a HIPS why discuss about win7 fw / ZA fw ?? Not only is it off topic ( there are way more off topic posts in under this topic :P) but in misleads / confuses others…
a firewall with HIPS or BB is better but not absolutly necessary (like comparing a car with airbags with one without), they talked about non-HIPS/BB FW coz someone said comodo FW without Defense+ (the HIPS of Ccomodo FW) is good ( it is possible, i never and dont want to try) but i think it is useless (like dieselman said) so better to use Windows7 FW/ ZA FW.
Wow, what happend to this thread over night…??? :o
u made dieselman a bit “upset” so others “attacked” him for the way he reply to u ^^
by the way, this article make me thinking using both avast BB and comodo Defense + at same time…
http://antivirus.about.com/od/antivirussoftwarereviews/a/hips_behavior.htm