So, the first imported terrorists were there from May 2011 and they started shooting opposition protesters, not troops, right? Were all these terrorists also in Egypt, Tunisia, Libya, Yemen and Bahrain? Why only in Syria 13k+ ppl died? Why Arab League, Saudi Arabia, Jordan… openly accuse the Syrian government and not terrorists? Why eye witnesses from al-Houla, Homs massacre said they saw troops who killed those ppl?
It isn’t the US imposing its rules on a European company, but as has been stated Avast! Software is in the process of being listed in the US Stock Exchange - to be able to do that they have to comply with US regulations/restrictions as any other ‘American’ company or other non-American companies listed in the US Stock Exchange. The problem is that there are punitive punishments for non-compliance with these regulations.
This isn’t something avast want to do block anyone as they have said (in other topics on this subject) they don’t want to get involved in politics.
Dear pk,
Your question reminds me a personal story.
I had a sister 4 years older than I. When we became adults, she couldn’t understand that I am rather a spiritual person though I was brilliant in science as Math, Physics then electronics (as designer). So she used urging me to work abroad in a big Western company like most of my friends did. To her, my problem is that money and fame are my last worries while my personal freedom comes first, much like the well known saying:
“For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul”.
Naturally, I started a small private business (designing/producing electronic products for the local market) and without my knowledge she was very upset for not following her advices. And always behind my back, she tried her best fighting my progress at work in many ways with the hope I fail and do what she have proposed. In fact, I have noticed that every time I have an opportunity to advance my business, something unexpected happens and keeps things as they are. For about 15 years, I thought that luck is just not on my side till the day she told me clearly all what she did to me.
So, I asked her, as you asked here in your post: “But Why? I did never hurt you in any way”. Her answer that I cannot forget… though another 20 years passed… was:
“Since I had the power to hurt you while you cannot have any clue against me, why should I deprive myself the joy using this power against you?”
I hope this answer your question.
Kerim
The only question that answered was your sister needs counseling ::), time to move on from this topic because the avast forum is not your local place to preach or discuss political matters.
Dear David,
I try hard understanding your view.
Please forgive me while I assume an extreme case just to clarify how I personally see this situation:
IF the US regulations/restrictions said that to be listed in the US Stock Exchange, my company should bless the killing of any person called David.
Do you think I will accept that my company will be listed even if my profit may jump by a billion dollars? I can never do it.
I am not saying what Avast Software is doing is wrong. But I also believe that all who work in Alwil group wish their services have nothing to do with politics. In other words, they wish when they need applying any sanction it will be their own decision based on their own reasons. On the other hand, in real life, each member of any group of people working seriously on something cannot be free and he has to follow other’s rules. For this reason, I couldn’t be a member of any group in the world anytime in my life.
As I said in my previous post, I don’t feel there will be any reason for me to live if I lose my freedom. My freedom means I am ready to obey any rule as long it doesn’t hurt or plans to hurt others (to my knowledge). So when I was serving (military service) as officer, I was asked to join a shooting training. I refused even to hold a gun in my hand. Those who were with me were surprised and someone told me: “But this is for your good, we all know that there is an enemy ready to attack us anytime”. I replied: “But what do you mean by enemy? He continued: “He is the one imposing on you his will after proving he is stronger than you”. My reply was: “Are you telling me I have to see you as an enemy after you force me learn how to use a gun which is against my will? He and those who were listening laughed for a while then left me in peace and this was the last time I was asked to join a gun training
For instance, during my service I was a teacher in electronics.
Please note that here I tried just presenting who I am, not what is good or bad or what is right and wrong because, at the end, this kind of classification is a personal matter hence relative to the observer.
Kerim
I am very sorry “craigb” , I didn’t mean to write anything more than my OP.
I wish you said this earlier, you own this forum and you have all the right to remind me your will.
I am just a guest here.
Please forgive me.
I dont own the forum, im an avast user like everyone else here. Im only trying to keep people reminded that this is the avast forum and for the chit chat about non security issues not to stray to far ![]()
@ Kerim
Sorry but you escalate the debate to the ridiculous, this has nothing to do with harming much less killing people. Use your own analogy, you wanted to advance and make your business a success, this is no different.
This topic is going nowhere because you aren’t prepared to see the other side of the matter.
You have made your decision to move on to another AV and with that we wish you luck.
Hi Kerim,
Sorry to heard that, but this matter no only happened with your country. In Indonesia itself most of israel product in e.g : CheckPoint is not easy to sell in here especially in government sector.
So this is proven that politics sometime drive the business and vice versa.
That’s way Checkpoint is not very good in Indonesia, and some product which’s related with politic or religion in here.
So please don’t feel upset with the problem that your have recently, sometimes this things must happened to teach us.
Cheers,
I cannot even imagine how you are living right now. It must be terrible to be in constant fear of attack. I’m very sorry for that, Kerim.
Kerim.
You can not preach to the preacher. Read your history.
Today known by us as Czech Republic, home of Avast!, and then make an assumption that most people who work in Avast! have or had grandparents, parents, or themselves who went through the Nazi Germany during WW II only to end up with a Communist goverment who ruled with an iron fist. In the spring of 1968 trying to dissolve that communist regime Czechoslovakia was invaded by the armies of the Warsaw pact ( USSR ). Do I have to say how many death by now ? USSR stayed there until 1989 and after some other developments in politics, the Czech Republic was born in 1993. Today it is considered the highest country for the development of human conditions and third most peaceful country in Europe. There is no one on this world who can tell the people of avast! that they do not know how war and politics go hand in hand or that they did not suffered enough.
I tip my hat to you Avast! and Czechs
I am afraid the topic is going towards an off-topic driven debate and what is posted here really is beyond the scope of this anti-virus support forum,
polonus
I don’t think it was on-topic at all. This seems more like a question for the general board.
EDIT: in bold.