JKDefrag discussion ...

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Started a new topic to avoid off-topic discussion in the updates thread.

This was the discusion:

@DavidR post:2195

I’m surprised at the frequency of the updates of JkDefrag that I find strange for a non-beta defrag tool. I just wonder what all these are about and if it is a stable, ready for prime time and use on a production system.

@rdmaloyjr post:2196

@DavidR post:2195

I’m surprised at the frequency of the updates of JkDefrag that I find strange for a non-beta defrag tool. I just wonder what all these are about and if it is a stable, ready for prime time and use on a production system.

I tried JkDefrag, it made my hd more fragmented than ever!!! >:(

@Tech™ post:2197

@rdmaloyjr post:2196

I tried JkDefrag, it made my hd more fragmented than ever!!! >:(

It seems to occur the same for me on Vista…

@tednelly post:2198

@DavidR post:2195

I’m surprised at the frequency of the updates of JkDefrag that I find strange for a non-beta defrag tool. I just wonder what all these are about and if it is a stable, ready for prime time and use on a production system.

Reminds me a bit like every second Tuesday of every Month??

@DavidR post:2199

Four JkDefrag updates in five days it really does make me wonder what these people are up to. Is the program so bug ridden that it is constantly requiring update.

@drhayden1 post:2200

Four JkDefrag updates in five days it really does make me wonder what these people are up to. Is the program so bug ridden that it is constantly requiring update

was using it-but every since my fun with all the bugs i got with the hacker bs on this forum-been using this since http://www.auslogics.com/disk-defrag/index.php and quite like it...guess anything is better than the windows defrag ::)

@bob3160 post:2201

guess anything is better than the windows defrag

Although it might be a little slow, the windows defrag actually does a pretty good job. :)

@SasH post:2202

@bob3160 post:2201

guess anything is better than the windows defrag

Although it might be a little slow, the windows defrag actually does a pretty good job. :)

Exactly… made by same people who created or at least, working on this OS. It may be slow, but in general there is absolutely nothing wrong with original disk defragmenter that comes with Windows. At least I am sure it will not screw up something like some third party defragmenters out there.

@SasH post:2203

@DavidR post:2199

Four JkDefrag updates in five days it really does make me wonder what these people are up to. Is the program so bug ridden that it is constantly requiring update.

Hi David!

Yes it is strange indeed… and this is even more weird (take a look at the screenshot). I just tried to uninstall it to completely remove it from my system and this is what I got. False positive or something more ?

http://img2.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/th.d69944d355.jpg

@DavidR post:2204

Yes avast has found a number of uninstall files as trojans and a good number have been FPs so I would check it out at virustotal and report if found to be an FP.

There have been a number of autoit scripts also detected incorrectly, so I think with this combination it is more likely that this may be an FP.

@SasH post:2205

Unfortunately I wiped it out as soon as avast! popped out that message (after taking a screenshot). Didn’t want to take any chances, and I uninstalled this defragmenter through Windows Add/Remove programs.

Someone else will have to do it if he/she still has uninstaller… :-\

@DavidR post:2206

I’m afraid I didn’t use the installer I just downloaded the zip file with the stand alone files, so no add remove programs entry.

@Darth_Mikey post:2207

First off are we talking about JKDefrag here or JKDefragGUI guys ?

If you guys can find a FREEWARE program that does a better job at defraging and is more configurable than JKDefrag i’ll be glad to make the switch.

JKDefrag doesn’t have an installer/uninstaller however the GUI program by Emiel Wieldraaijer has.
So this FP detected is a part of the GUI’s uninstaller and NOT a part of JKDefrag. BTW this is not the only GUI program made for JKDefrag there are a couple of others as well. READ MORE HERE

Also the version of JKDefrag that comes with Emiel’s GUI is 3.16 i believe. The current is 3.23.

Did a scan on Virustotal of Emiel’s uninstaller, here are the results:

http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/8912/virustotalec2.th.jpg

In my opinion a FP(like David said many AutoIT scripts are detected by avast! and others as trojans even though they are not) . Been using the GUI in the past for quite some time and i am 100% sure it is clean and without trojan’s … Must admit i’ve been using the console version of JKDefrag ever since i switched to Vista though but i did use the same version as we are talking about(0.91) in XP and interstingly it was never picked up by avast! nor any other anti-malware product i use. Besides i think i would have noticed if i had a Trojan over here.

@DavidR: Here are the changelogs if you’re interested in why so many new versions:http://www.kessels.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=5&sid=c9d1010c686da6fd73d406116a4d1e20
Mostly bugfixes as you can see, Jeroen is the only developer of this great defrag program and he is busy as a bee it seems. As soon as he identifies a bug he fixes it ASAP and rolls out a new version of the program. In my opinion he is to be commended for responding so quickly to fixing new bugs not bashed for being FAST .

@tednelly post:2208

@Darth_Mikey post:2207

Mostly bugfixes as you can see, Jeroen is the only developer of this great defrag program and he is busy as a bee it seems. As soon as he identifies a bug he fixes it ASAP and rolls out a new version of the program. In my opinion he is to be commended for responding so quickly to fixing new bugs not bashed for being FAST .

Spot on Darth_Mikey I only wish some of the Big Players in the Industry with more employees/developers/programmers etc at their disposal were as conscientious in maintenance/program improvement than just making a quick Buck$$

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@Tech™ post:2197

@rdmaloyjr post:2196

I tried JkDefrag, it made my hd more fragmented than ever!!! >:(

It seems to occur the same for me on Vista…

I would be interested to know how you two came to this conclusion ?

[RejZoR]

I’ve tried it once and got some mixed feelings about it. Somehow i prefer Auslogic Disk Defrag, WinContig or my own Power Defragmenter.

[TedNelly]

Have run them all…JkDefrag…Auslogic Disk Defrag…WinContig and RejZoR’s Power Defragmenter. We could go on about disk defrag programs in the same manner as with which browser is better…which is better than this or that.
Short answer is to use the one that you feel does the best job for you the one you are happiest running. Like browsers they all do a similar job. ;D

[Lisandro]

Definitively, for me, the best defragmentation tool is O&O. Unfortunatelly, a shareware.
For XP, O&O Free does a very very good job.
For Vista, well, I can’t test much of them, Auslogic Disk Defrag seems good also iObit one is working on my Vista system.

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The O&O Defrag is a really good one but i still prefer PerfectDisk out of the paid ones.

The Auslogics one seems OK and it’s fast as hell but compared to JkDefrag it …

• Doesn’t allow you to analyze the disk before it defrags it .
• Doesn’t allow you to choose different defrag strategies .
• Doesn’t allow you to defrag a specific file or folder .
• No command-line options .
• No screensaver mode .
• No way to exclude certain files or folders .
  etc.

So for me the main attraction point of this product is only it’s speed and nothing else . RejZoR’s Power Defragmenter is a better choice IMO . Still not near JkDefrag though . My 2 cents worth .

[rdsu]

If you read and know something about Hard disks, you will see that JkDefrag does a great job, and is much better than the others free and commercial defraggers…

The Cons:

• The v3.x still not put the directories close to MFT, but with v4.0 we could put the files where we want…
• Layout.ini support.
• Doesn’t have Offline Defrag.

[EDIT:]
I forgot the lack of support for Layout.ini…

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@VaMPiRiC_CRoW post:7

If you read and know something about Hard disks, you will see that JkDefrag does a great job, and is much better than the others free and commercial defraggers…

Well said.

@VaMPiRiC_CRoW post:7

• Doesn’t have Offline Defrag.

Good that we have PageDefrag for that, but does anyone know of any alternatives to PageDefrag that work in Vista ?

[rdsu]

@Darth_Mikey post:8

@VaMPiRiC_CRoW post:7

• Doesn’t have Offline Defrag.

Good that we have PageDefrag for that, but does anyone know of any alternatives to PageDefrag that work in Vista ?

In my opinion, PerfectDisk is the best for Offline defrag.
This program put the system files, that can only be defragged offline, where they should be…

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@VaMPiRiC_CRoW post:9

In my opinion, PerfectDisk is the best for Offline defrag.
This program put the system files, that can only be defragged offline, where they should be…

I agree but unfortunately PerfectDisk isn’t free.

[rdsu]

@Darth_Mikey post:10

@VaMPiRiC_CRoW post:9

In my opinion, PerfectDisk is the best for Offline defrag.
This program put the system files, that can only be defragged offline, where they should be…

I agree but unfortunately PerfectDisk isn’t free.

Right

Unfortunately, we haven’t a free program that can defrag offline correctly…
PageDefrag can only defrag pagefile.sys (and registry) if the hard disk have sufficient free contiguous space for that, and if not the file remains fragmented… And doesn’t put it on the right place…

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@VaMPiRiC_CRoW post:11

Right

Unfortunately, we haven’t a free program that can defrag offline correctly…
PageDefrag can only defrag pagefile.sys (and registry) if the hard disk have sufficient free contiguous space for that, and if not the file remains fragmented… And doesn’t put it on the right place…

Right again, however it is better than nothing . ATM i have PerfectDisk trial version for defragging those offline files but it will soon expire. Was hoping there is a free Vista compatible utility for doing this but it seems there isn’t one. The only solution seems to be to open up the wallet and buy PD.

[rdsu]

For those that can’t buy PD, just install it and run the Offline defrag, after uninstall it…

At least the files will be a better place, and in the future only MFT will be fragmented, while the pagefile.sys will be fine…

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@VaMPiRiC_CRoW post:13

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At least the files will be a better place, and in the future only MFT will be fragmented, while the pagefile.sys will be fine…

I did not know that, thanks for the tip !
So after Jeroen implements MFT defragging my hdd’s should be in tip top shape ?

[Lisandro]

@Darth_Mikey post:8

Good that we have PageDefrag for that, but does anyone know of any alternatives to PageDefrag that work in Vista ?

As I’ve posted before, except O&O, for Vista, Auslogic Disk Defrag and iObit

@VaMPiRiC_CRoW post:11

Unfortunately, we haven’t a free program that can defrag offline correctly…

PageDefrag (from Microsoft/Sysinternals) done some job in XP.

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@Tech™ post:15

As I’ve posted before, except O&O, for Vista, Auslogic Disk Defrag and iObit

I was asking for an alternative to PAGEDEFRAG. You know, something that will defrag those SYSTEM FILES(or OFFLINE FILES as they are called in PD) …

@Tech™ post:15

@VaMPiRiC_CRoW post:11

Unfortunately, we haven’t a free program that can defrag offline correctly…

PageDefrag (from Microsoft/Sysinternals) done some job in XP.

What the man is saying is that PageDefrag does not do a complete job …

Re-read his post again …

@VaMPiRiC_CRoW post:11

Unfortunately, we haven’t a free program that can defrag offline correctly…
PageDefrag can only defrag pagefile.sys (and registry) if the hard disk have sufficient free contiguous space for that, and if not the file remains fragmented… And doesn’t put it on the right place…

[rdsu]

I forgot to mention that PageDefrag also defrags Windows 2000/XP hibernation files…

[Lisandro]

@VaMPiRiC_CRoW post:17

I forgot to mention that PageDefrag also defrags Windows 2000/XP hibernation files…

It does not work on Vista (do not ‘find’ the hibernation file).