Quote Vlk... By "simple incompatibilites" I meant those that will hardly ever be sorted out simply because the 3rd party app uses a similar mechanism of working as avast and the OS was simply not designed to acommodate more than one such a component (this relates to the way the transparent mail scanner works).
So Avast! will never again work with certain firewalls and possibly other app’s?. Does the transparent scanner (although a good idea) warrant this kind of compatibility loss!!! or am I missing the point?.
Quote Vlk...To sum up, 4.5.536 fixes, to our best knowledge, all the issues we wanted to fix for now. No other program update is planned for the next month.
Yes fine, but there are issues “some” users want to see resolved as well as what Alwil wanted to fix. Without the list of issues/explainations which I reffered the thread to, I for one am still not confident, or clever enough, to know what the heck is resolved/on-going etc. etc. etc.
Keep in mind that users always have wishes, eventhough a application already is good. It’s just impossible to satisfy all.
Alwil (as any other company) only have so much resources for development. And they have to pick things out that (at that point) seems to need priority.
If you agree with the choices they make, is op to you as a user. Everybody is entitle to his own opinion about that and that should be respected.
It is my opinion that Alwil is very open to their users about what they are doing and why they are doing it. There are only a few companies that do so also. That is something which really should be apriciated and deserves respect. And the interaction with their users is one of the best I have ever seen in the almost 25 years I have been working with computers. I don’t always agree with Alwil, but that has never been a problem and it never will be, as long as you talk about it with eachother in a decent matter.
Now let us all get back to business and see if we can help others solving their problems.
So the point you are making in regard to this thread was/is???
And when some feel the solution for them is to go back to 4.1 !?!?.
Be those (that would like to ‘roll back’) right or wrong, I agree with you… we all have choices and opinions and we should respect them all… including the opinion that reverting to 4.1 would be best for those that would like the choice.
Rocker, we won’t agree with you that going back to 4.1 is the solution.
It will be in some cases a workaround.
I have a lot of problems and never give up on avast team. Sometimes we disagree (Vlk had to forgive me sometimes… ;D) but we’re keep working, helping and trying to do our best. You (and a lot of others) come a little time ago… Just patience. World is not perfect! Going back is thrown away a hard work of Alwil and the little we had pointing the errors or problems. I believe we can’t go back just to solve some users problems.
I stayed 8 days without sending emails from 2 accounts of mine. What happened? Nothing!. After all, the fault was my ISP and not avast 4.5.
I learned a lesson: stop blaming.
Techie, sorry, I promised that I won’t post that large again
Quote Technical... Rocker, we won't agree with you that going back to 4.1 is the solution.
Technical, your longevity and knowledge on Avast! is accepted. I am not advocating reverting to 4.1 as a permanent solution, just as a temporary measure until 4.5 is proven.
Quote Technical...It will be in some cases a workaround.
As I see it, there seems to be more 'workarounds' trying to get 4.5 to work.
Before anyone feels the need to comment, I use the word ‘workaround’ loosely.
Quote Technical...Going back is thrown away a hard work of Alwil and the little we had pointing the errors or problems. I believe we can't go back just to solve some users problems.
Again, I am not saying abandon 4.5, just let there be a stable version (4.1) available whilst 4.5 is giving problems for some users.
The latest that Vlk said… that it is not going to work with some applications, does concern me.
And isn't the SEARCH option great..... it would have brought you this
Yes it told me this from Vlk:-
Windows NT/2K/XP: big problems with mail in conjunction with a number of 3rd party firewalls. Namely: Norton Personal Firewall, PC-Cillin. Sometimes also Sygate, Outpost or even ZoneAlarm…
So again… what’s your point ?
imho, the search option has become more of a hinderance than a help. You can find conflicting answers in just about any search you might make.
Please understand that many here have different opinions on how to handle a “bug” or “problem” in a program.
I am old school and sometimes would rather go back to a working build whilst I fix the new version rather than sitting with a non-working system,
BUT…
the other side of the coin is that we should always try to move forward if possible, as Technical and VLK stated.
It is a fact that not all software will end up working with all other software. It is unfortunate but something that we must live with. That is why there are different vendors who make the same type of program.
We here on the forum do our best to solve unexpected problems with Avast. I myself suffer from frustration occasionally when I can’t get things to work. Although I have a wide and varied knowledge of Avast, the Avast Team are the only ones who have the in-depth knowledge that is sometimes needed to resolve issues.
I do yield to your statement that users should be made well aware of the issues fixed by a new build or release.
Recently after updating to 4.5, I lost use of email for 3 days on all my systems. As it turns out, I was able to restore all but one because I did not quite!
At times there is nothing you can do except Try and Try again…and then Try some more.
I will be away for a few days but when I get back will try to assemble some settings and fixes that I found worked to restore my systems in the hope that the information will serve as a guide to others.
This may become a mute point if 539 fixes things.
The forum is a bunch of really good people, but at times you will find very diverse opinions.
Rocker, Please go HERE and see if this is what you have been asking about. If
this is what you are after all I did was type Avast 4.1 into a
reputable search engine.
Well, I didn’t either until I used the search engine for the other poster in this thread. Now you know where it is and I would put it into Bookmarks or Favorites and then you will have it for future reference.
Quote Techie 101... I am old school and sometimes would rather go back to a working build whilst I fix the new version rather than sitting with a non-working system,
Yes, I am of exactly the same opinion, hence my posting in this thread.
Quote Techie 101... BUT.... the other side of the coin is that we should always try to move forward if possible, as Technical and VLK stated.
Also something I have openly agreed with. However, I do prefer to 'move forward' for sensible reasons and not just jump on the latest bandwagon.
Quote Techie 101... It is a fact that not all software will end up working with all other software. It is unfortunate but something that we must live with.
Hmmm... enough said... for the sake of a quiet life.
Quote Techie 101... the Avast Team are the only ones who have the in-depth knowledge that is sometimes needed to resolve issues.
Yes... and whilst the forum and it's members are very well supported and intentioned, ultimately we look to the vendor to provide the kind of information asked for in many threads.
Quote Techie 101... I do yield to your statement that users should be made well aware of the issues fixed by a new build or release.
No need to yield :) from my point, it is only a discussion on how things might be improved for users. But it would be useful to know not only what fixes have been effected, but also what remains and what may never be fixed... by design.
Quote Techie 101... At times there is nothing you can do except Try and Try again....and then Try some more.
Well as it stands there is no more to be done than try, but... the 'trying' could be a lot easier given a little more info from Alwil.
The link is no-good. It’s a link to the VPS (virus database) updater, not avast itself.
BTW if the new 4.5 build still has some important issues we’ll likely provide you with the links to the 4.1 release.
Rocker, BTW, did you know (I mean “find elsewhere on this forum”) that the mail scanner in 4.5 can be switched to the 4.1-compatibility mode (i.e. no transparent scanning, mail wizard etc) by puttin the AutoRedirect=0 value to the [MailScanner] section of the file
data\avast4.ini?
Thanks Vlk. Strange as some peolple might think, I truly hope that it isn’t necessary and that 4.5 settles down. I saw Techie101’s thread as as useful discussion and an alternative, not a knock of Alwil.
Yes thanks, I did know of this. For the time being I don’t route the problem machine through the Wi-Fi/ICS, so it is pure stand alone.
From your earlier comments, I would be interested to know if you have a recommendation for firewalls that will be fully compatible with 4.5. I am left with the impression that choices are limited.
Note: I’m glad for everyone who has found no compatibility issue with Avast/other app’s. … I am referring ONLY to Vlk’s earlier comments on the subject. Personally, I found no problem with this, but Vlk has now raised a point that I think needs clarifying.
