Bob, when I tried to get the url up; it gave me the 317 error again, but after a couple of crashes etc, I managed to find the list of errors, thanks for that info, now what I need to know is what do I need to do to correct this problem, can I run Windows 98 SE over the top of the copy I am using now to pick out the file or whatever is needed, or is there some other way to do it? Sorry to be such a pain, but I am lost in the wilderness. Thanks Tony W