Hi DavidR, thanks for the response.

looks like i will have to cope with the tip update at least for now.

I removed malwarebytes perhaps 4-6 months ago. I still have spybot S&D which i run perhaps once a month.

I also have Adaware AV which again i may run monthly. Finally i have Advanced systemcare 6 which i run about every 10 days. I do not have any of them running except when i want to run a scan, they are all prevented from loading on startup except avast.

Happy to ditch Adaware if suggested and i never use the malware scan from Advanced systemcare6.

Thanks.