Unhappy with Avast 8...

I recently found out that avast! 8 had been released, and i’m concerned about the direction avast! seems to have been taking. I have been using avast! since it was skin-able, and often preferred it for it’s light, unobtrusive nature. I had come to avast! from AVG, leaving the latter because i began to notice more and more “bloat” with each subsequent version. While the addition of tools and resources on an antivirus is, to some degree, easily anticipated, if not digestible, to combat advancing security issues, it’s when antivirus software begin to treat you like you have no clue regarding what you’re doing that i begin considering alternatives.

The inability to select (or deselect, more specifically) new features during software updates from version 7 to version 8 i find to be distressing. I don’t like software modifying itself, especially when it involves the download of software updates, without my consent. The ability to do a customized avast! update would personally be appreciated, rather than taking for granted that users want new features installed.

I would also like to comment on my recent experiences with avast! phone support. I called yesterday to ask about the nature of the software update, where installation files were saved, and if they downloaded by default. I was told that avast! did NOT download installation files by default, and that they were saved to either the program folder for the software which was being updated, or the downloads folder.

I then checked, and found that avast, by default, DID download installation files automatically, and that of those that i checked, they were located in the windows TEMP folder. I found this after a nearly 2-3 minute pause after providing a name and telephone number, during which time i asked if the agent was there, and had the privilege of listening to what sounded like another support agent seemingly arguing loudly with someone…

I’m unhappy with where avast! seems to be going. I was fine when update pop-ups began including advertisements, i was fine when auto-sandbox was enabled by default, remote-assistance has genuinely been helpful, but the nature of the Software Updater, immediately being functional before i can disable it, has been off-putting, and i personally don’t like that it wasn’t a selectable item. I’m aware that i can change/remove avast!, but if avast!'s un-installation practices are any indication, i don’t know if i would prefer that, either.

I’m now considering alternative antivirus software. I’m personally not appreciating the services rendered by avast! post version 7. It’s unfortunate that to completely remove avast! at this point would potentially involve a reformat, and i don’t know what to say to the many i’ve recommended avast! to.

Are there any plans to modify the update process? I’m guessing i’m not the only one who is currently unhappy with avast! / the inclusion of the Software Updater, and other components which are installed without consent or notice.

I don’t mean to have this thread just a series of complaints, but i really DO or DID like avast! It’s just when software starts trying to take ownership from the user, i begin questioning my choices.

Hope that you all have an excellent day :)…


As a side note, a friend recently uninstalled avast! because he thought it was data mining software, and he believed the GUI to be unprofessional, and appealing to the “lowest common denominator”. I and others had some fun at his expense, more specifically about the GUI. I mentioned a few nights ago that avast! 8 had been released, he jokingly asked if they had gone so far with the GUI as to add a smiley face…

Sorry you’re unhappy.
If you had used the custom install, you would have been able to select which functions and add-ons to install.
Choosing the default install in this or any other program always installs what the manufacturer thinks is best for you and them.
This advice isn’t only for avast! 8 but for any software you decide to your computer.
You could always do a clean install of avast! 8 and follow that advice.
Some help is available at:
Successfully Installing avast!

Sorry, i either didn’t convey it very well, or you didn’t read the entire post, or there was some misunderstanding.

I’m well aware of custom installation. I didn’t do a new install. I updated from within avast. The only configurable option when updating is whether or not you want to install Google Chrome, at present.

I rarely ever do “Default installation” if there is a custom or advanced option available. I can be very particular regarding what’s installed.

The following video should help you get rid of the unwanted features:
http://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=93544.msg911964#msg911964

I also addressed what you’re talking about in the initial post, unless mistaken. Sorry if there was further misunderstanding. I appreciate your efforts, though!

I more or less created this thread to communicate with avast! why i am unhappy. I have also done so with their un-installation survey. I liked avast! when it was a slim anti-virus + malware with active scan. Now it’s trying to play the security suite card that arguably begins stepping on the toes of the user.

I am now considering MSE. It’s arguably more like what avast! used to be, even if the detection rates and zero-day response rates leave a little to be desired…

Bloat huh!

Anyone who says bloat and avast! in the same sentence loses pretty much all credibility with me. Lets go through few facts...

a) Facebook and other social stuff has been around for several versions so this isn’t something new to rant about
b) Software Updater is not bloat because its there for a very good (security) reason
c) Auto Update or Manual update to new version, if computer has problems it would fail either way eventually
d) avast! FREE doesn’t have firewall so i’m not sure why are you ranting about it (if they had paid versions it would be there anyway even in older version)
e) please go and learn what “bloatware” really is

I really don’t understand ppl who rush in here raging on every new program release, fill the post with nonsense and protest that they’ll never ever use avast! again. It has been like this ever since i found avast! in 2004 or so? Weird…

Only thing here that needs resolving is the unbootable Vista system, but without knowing any other details it’s hard to say anything. But in most cases systems don’t hang for no reasons, they usually do it like this when there are existent problems…

I only mentioned bloat in reference to AVG (and even then, it might have just been system instability that i had personally induced, it was a long while ago), unless mistaken, which i abandoned a long while ago…

Are people reading the original post? Am i just horrible in articulating things? :(…

I guess if anyone here is experiencing black screen issues they should report their PC specs and the other security software running beside avast here: http://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=117895.0

Why on Earth would you have to format a system just to remove avast! ?! I find it so strange for ppl complaining over things specifically in version 8 that have been around for several versions… weird.

I’ll admit that it’s arguably excessive, but avast! seems to unfortunately be one of those programs that barely uninstalls anything when uninstalled. (It left behind over 200mb of residue, and several registry entries, unless mistaken)…

And what have i been complaining about that’s been there for several versions? I specifically reference the software updater, and the direction that avast! seems to be going, one of which is new to version 8, and the latter which is more pertinent to avast! going from a antivirus/malware, and stepping into “Security suite” territory, with added data shredders, toolbar removers, and software updater. These latter seem only to be optional if you’re installing a fresh copy, and installed and activated by default when updating from within avast!

It’s very easy to rectify should you not want those features and you updated from a prior version:
http://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=93544.msg911964#msg911964

Azmo I completely understand you and couldn’t have said it better myself. I think a simple solution would be to have a few prompts asking whether you want to enable the new features right after the update. This should also include all the new options added (or changed). I mean a separate window for each one. They could also add one general option somewhere whether those prompts come up or everything new is set to default. I will be happy with this as my biggest problem right now is that I have to specifically check what new features and options are added and most of the time disable them :slight_smile:

That is what you call a custom install (already available) and some of the features/options are listed during the current installation process, but many don’t bother reading what is displayed already.

Displaying interactive boxes for every feature is more likely to annoy than reassure, what is to say they will be read rather than the constant click next/OK/yes, etc. etc. to close the window.

Please do not mistake me for someone who doesn’t know what he’s talking about. I know perfectly well that there is a custom install and I always use it when available. But, as I think was pointed out in this thread, there is no such thing when avast auto-updates itself.

Also the fact that most people won’t read the prompts is completely irrelevant because my suggestion is not meant for them. That’s why I said that there should also be added an option whether those prompts come up at all. Leave it turned off by default and I will be happy. Then people like me can just turn it on and from then on have more control over what is otherwise happening automatically without their knowledge (believe it or not I’ve gone through all the options so that I know exactly how avast behaves and every update I have to do it again because there might be some stealthily added functionalities or changes).

P. S. While at it fix the ridiculous verification when posting replies on this forum so people won’t lose everything they have written if they enter the wrong code…

Edit: I realise now that my post sounds a bit angry. I must assure you I love avast which is why I am posting here, but I get discouraged when people don’t bother to think about what I wrote and assume that I am just another mindless user (no offence there but people tend to just install and forget hoping someone made the right decisions - in choosing the default settings for example). I tried to suggest a solution which is appealing to everyone :slight_smile:

Post verification is only for the first three posts, the spammers seem to be able to get by it easy enough so I’m sure you can handle it.

Only one post left to go.

Thank you Azmo for making this post and to all who replied with what seems a workable solution.

To agree with Azmo …

I am a long time user of Avast Free.

I saw a message that Avast 8 had been installed and had a software updater program. Okay, fine. (Somewhat my mistake for having automatic updates turned on, but I also didn’t really want to check every week to see if I new version of Avast was out and whether or not I wanted to update (and sooner or later, I would have to update or change programs).

The ONLY option presented was something about either the Ask or Google Toolbar and making Ask my default search engine - I unchecked both of them.

Avast IMMEDIATELY started downloading updates for a lot of my non-AV software without any prompts. I cancelled the updates and then opened avast and went into settings and turned off the software updater. (I didn’t think about going into Add/Remove Programs and changing the installation type.

This worked (after I updated the first program that it had already downloaded the update for), except I still got an error message that software updates were critical, even though the updater was turned off.

There are several things that I would like to see happen:

  • Avast should give me the option to choose whether or not to install new components when updating.

  • I would like to see Software Updater work similar to https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/plugincheck/ for Firefox or SeaMonkey - i.e., I can click the software panel and Avast will tell me what software is out of date and give me the option to update it now, update it later, or never prompt for updates for this software. As it is, that option is not available, the only things I can do are:
    ** Leave software updater active and let Avast update all my software whether I want it to or not.
    ** Uninstall the software updater component entirely through the Add/Remove Programs option screen.
    ** Turn off the software updater function but deal with nag prompts every time I log on that critical software updates need to be installed.

FWIW …