Windows Files Protection message & "uncertain" OS CD

I’ve been posting about an avast issue that I’ve received a lot of help on. So I may look (sound) familiar.

Now I have a problem that I think may be major, and I don’t know what to do.
I have a Dell Pentium III, Windows 2000 OS, use avast!, Spybot, and AdAware, and have a dial-up connection. If I had the money, I would have a newer computer and operating system and a broadband connection. I’m not hanging on to this for sentimental reasons. Also, I am not a computer wiz, just a struggling user/learner.

Background: I acquired my computer four years ago from a company that was selling their older pcs. When I got it, it had the Windows 2000 Operating system on it and was registered in my name. I was given a CD that had “Win 2K Pro” written on it. I don’t know how to use it, meaning one time when an ISP tech rep wanted me to insert it to try to do something he was trying to accomplish (over the phone, of course), it didn’t Run like it should have. Also, someone else once looked at it, and he wasn’t sure how to use it either, though he was a computer wiz.

Anyway, this year I have had a mess with malware (understatement). A guy who worked on cleaning up the pc had my computer during the summer, but though I sent the Windows 2000 CD to him with the computer, he didn’t use it when he reinstalled the operating system after scrubbing the hard drive. He said he used one he had because it had more of all of the subsequent information that he otherwise would have had to spend a long time trying to update into it. I was unsure about this, but he returned it to me this way, and that was his explanation. (This person is not available for help any longer. Let’s just say he disqualified himself.)

Since he’s returned the pc, I’ve still had recurring warnings of viruses and Trojans from the antivirus program. I’ve run several scans and moved all that were found to the Virus Chest, then deleted them after a while. From time to time, more warnings alert me to viruses, etc., and I move them to the chest. I don’t know if they are the same ones coming at me from hidden areas on the pc or new ones with the same names coming from the internet.

I am trying to deal with a number of tasks that need to be done: finding out why Microsoft .NET Framework update fails, why my Office updates fail, removing the Office version I have and replacing it, updating AdAware, and hooking up my printer, a process that should be easy, but long story short, it won’t be. Point is that I am in the midst of these things and much more and can’t seem to make headway, even after spending weeks trying to do so.

I’m relating all of this info because just now I got this message:

Windows Files Protection

Files that are required for Windows to run properly have been replaced by unrecognized versions. To maintain system stability, Windows must restore the original versions of these files.

Insert your Windows 2000 Professional CD now.

It has a More Information button which gives this info:

Possible Reasons:
-You have inserted the wrong CD (i.e., a different Windows 2000 product CD than the version installed).
-The CD-ROM drive in your system is not functioning.

I am panicked and don’t know what to do! I don’t have any CDs inserted. I don’t know how to use the Windows 2000 CD that I do have, as explained already. And even if I did, it’s not the one that was used to install the current OS.

I don’t know if viruses could cause this??

I don’t think it’s cause of the guy using another CD to install the OS since whenever the system is scanned by the Microsoft website for needed updates, they treat it like it’s okay.

The only other thing I can think of is that a couple of days ago I went into My Computer>Tools>Folder Options>Advanced Settings and selected “SHOWALL” to show hidden files and folders because I was trying to find a file that just had to be in the avast! folder but wasn’t showing up when I searched for it. I will set it back to hide the hidden files and folders. But I haven’t changed or deleted anything that I know of that could have replaced anything with “unrecognized versions.”

Except for using email, Word, and posting on the forum, I’m stuck cause I assume it’s dangerous to really do anything on the pc because of this warning. I normally turn off the pc at night. But I am afraid to turn it off now for fear of causing more problems by shutting it down and having it try to start up with this problem looming. Now I can’t press on with the computer work I must do. I just hope that using it for email or Word won’t make it worse.

Does anyone have any insight into this problem. I.e., do you know what this message means and what could have caused it? But even so, I don’t know how to remedy it using the Windows 2000 CD that I have—cause I don’t know how to use it.

I have other questions that I need help with, but I will start another post and ask a miscellaneous bunch of questions there, although until this problem is solved, I can’t doing anything else that relates to the other issues.

Thank you for any and all help.

Any advice, insight, opinions, would be greatly appreciated. I fear my computer is, . . . I can’t even say it. I don’t have any means to replace it.

Hi…

I’m not sure if you want to hear my advice! ;D

If the original Windows 2000 CD you received is not a “genuine” Microsoft copy, throw it away. Copies of Windows that were burned on blank CD that have whatever name of OS written on them with a sharpie/felt tip pen are illegal. If the copy you have is genuine, did it also come with the official COA, booklet and product key? If it as OEM version of Windows 2000, did the company assure you that the copy installed on the PC (when you received it) was the same as on the original CD?

If no on all counts then I can’t give you advice for this particular CD and I would suggest you purchase a new retail (not OEM) copy of Windows 2000 (in the box) like this one here…

http://cgi.ebay.com/New-Retail-Microsoft-MS-Windows-2000-Professional-Full_W0QQitemZ390009219273QQcategoryZ41882QQcmdZViewItem

I terms of the copy currently on your system, from what you’ve described, it’s extremely likely that it has been illegally installed and should be removed from your system. :frowning:

Best Regards…

Or try Xubuntu for free:

http://www.xubuntu.org/

You can try it from the CD without changing anything on your computer.

Hi…

Perhaps someone can comment on this if they have more information, but I have stopped supporting any Linux distributions until I can resolve whether or not drivers and other software (coded for and used in Linux) that is bound by EULA or other copyright restrictions is being illegally reverse engineered. ::slight_smile:

Best Regards…

Last time I tried Xubuntu it made the hard drive un-bootable but the install CD would boot and appear to install along side XP Pro but after removing the CD then trying to reboot the dreaded:
Non System disk message appeared on the screen forcing me to FORMAT the hard drive and install XP Pro and the plethora of Updates.

Is reverse engineering illegal? Didn’t Microsoft reverse MSDOS from CPM? :stuck_out_tongue:

Seriously, Linux driver developers seem to be going out of their way to avoid any sort of accusation of illegal copying, even under the strictest legal regimes.

http://kerneltrap.org/node/6692

Anyway, many reverse-engineered drivers are “blessed” by the vendors who “sprinkle our driver effort with the (ahem) holy penguin pee required to have it blessed sufficiently for kernel inclusion…”

The bottom line seems to be, if you re-implement rather than copy, it’s legal.

Googling ‘“Non System disk” ubuntu installation’ produces quite a few hits of people with the same problem, and possible solutions, including this one:

non-system or disk error, replace and strike any key

This means that de pc does not find a operating system or cd where he can boot from.

You have choosen the wrong harddisk to boot from, check your bios.
Or your harddisk is not made bootable , check with gparted bootcd,
Or no grub installed, reinstall with supergrub (bootable cd)

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=657508

The Ubuntu forum can normally sort you out if you have any sort of problem.

Hi Frank…

Thank you for the link.

Best Regards…

This on copyright:

"Red Hat has led and continues to lead the open source industry in promoting innovation and making free and open source software easier to consume. This includes providing our clients the most comprehensive open source intellectual property protections through our Open Source Assurance program. Our confidence in our technology and protections for customers remains strong and has not wavered."
"The reality is that the community development approach of free and open source code represents a healthy development paradigm, which, when viewed from the perspective of pending lawsuits related to intellectual property, is at least as safe as proprietary software. We are also aware of no patent lawsuit against Linux. Ever. Anywhere."

http://www.linux-watch.com/news/NS8388951773.html

Hi Frank…

Thank you again for your help in studying this issue.

Best Regards…

To all:
I have been sidetracked and not able to get back to the forum to read your posts until now. Please don’t think me ungrateful for your replies. I still have the problem I originally wrote about from last week. Things are at a standstill about that at the moment.

I am unclear about all that is mentioned in your replies–my ignorance on such matters abounds. Let me just say that I had no intention in either case of obtaining illegal software. It’s too involved to explain it all, but it is true that my intent is always to be honest. My uninformed actions and panic-ridden states have evidently caused me to have results other than I expected or wanted at times.

I have many questions to ask about what you’ve mentioned here. In addition, I think I will have to also post in the Virus/Worms forum because I fear the problem that caused the Windows Files Protection message is the result of virus(es).

I hope to return to this post, etc., tomorrow.

Hi safetynut…

I apologize if I seemed like I was pointing a finger in your face, I have no reason to doubt your sincerity or honesty. It’s just that software piracy is something I take extremely seriously and wanted you to know the facts as I know them to be. :slight_smile:

I read a bit from the “last posts” in your profile and was able to get an understanding of your situation. At your convenience and if you would like, we can first go about determining the “nature” of the Windows 2000 CD the company gave you and what the contents of it are. I’m curious why those whom you spoke with about (and I assume showed the CD to) thought of it as a mystery. ???

I wish you the very best in your job search and I hope we can help you get your problem resolved quickly so that your computer no longer taxes your time and energy. :slight_smile:

Best Regards…

ardvark:
How very kind of you. My sister has just told me of someone at her church who may be able to give me some kind of help, but at this point I don’t know the extent of their knowledge, experience, or the time they can devote to helping me.

As described, I have left the pc on for a week now-- not my normal procedure, which is to turn it off at night. (If it were the time of year when we have thunderstorms, it wouldn’t be possible to leave it on like this.) But I don’t know if it is unstable, as the message says, to the degree that it would restart. Do you have an opinion about that?

Also, I did try to insert the OS CD that I got from the company I purchased the pc from (no there was no package, it was just sitting in the CD-ROM drive and has Win2K Pro written on it), but I got the message that “I had inserted the wrong CD,” which I expected since I know it is not the one used for the current installation of the operating system, as explained.

And what of the fact that this problem has probably been caused by viruses?? How to deal with that? And you may have seen somewhere in my posts—can’t remember if I mentioned it—that I don’t have a means of doing backups (only have a few floppies that won’t even begin to hold my document files, much less the harddrive or registry files, which I wouldn’t know how to backup anyway, . . .). This problem complicates being able to deal with infected files or even safely uninstalling/installing programs, . . .

I have to email my sister about the person/people she thinks may be able to help. By the way, she spoke to one of them yesterday and told him about the need to insert the OS CD per the Windows Files Protection message, and he said maybe I didn’t need to do that. But how can that not be done when system files must be restored??

I have so many tasks that need to be accomplished to make the pc safe and to make it usable without constantly having to spend all the time in relation to it fixing, updating, uninstalling/installing, figuring out problems, etc. I need and want to understand all that must be done so that I can both avoid as many difficulties in the future as possible as well as handle things myself as much as is viable.

Many things you will tell me to do I will have to ask for clarification about—I warn you.

I don’t know exactly when I can get back to you to do what you suggested about the original OS CD. Would inserting that just to “check it out” be safe while there’s another OS, so to speak, running?

Please don’t give up on me, no matter how long it takes for me to respond. I’m torn in many directions and under a lot of stress. Also, before posting I have to think through all that I need to ask (a lot). It all takes so much time. If I have “local” help, that would probably conflict with my ability to post. But I know I would still need the opinion of you avast experts on things—regardless—sooner or later. Even now there are probably things I could ask, but I have to do some other necessary tasks and must go.

So please have patience and don’t think I’m not appreciative. If anything gets solved, I will report back as soon as I can.

Hi safetynut…

Please do not worry, I have no intention of giving up on you, just continue to keep us up-to-date on any progress. :slight_smile:

The concern I have is that the original CD you were given is not an original and thus illegal. Does the CD have “Win2k Pro” written on it with a pen of some kind or is it an official factory copy with the words “Do not make illegal copies of this disc” on it? If the CD is a burned copy, then the error message could be caused by a “bad burn” of the software or missing files that were not transferred from the original legitimate CD.

Whether I can help with your particular copy depends on the information I relayed in my initial post. A possible option here is to get the necessary system information (model name and number and the serial number) and contact Dell to see if they could send you a restore CD for your system. If you could post this information, I could inquire about that possibility. Did the company you bought the system from the original purchaser? If so, what is their business name?

Best Regards…

I don’t know if this would be of any help:
http://mysharedfiles.no-ip.org/BootDisksForMostVersions

ardvark:
I am overwhelmed by your kindness and willingness to help by going the extra mile. Thanks to everyone else who has also offered help. bob3160, thanks for the link—I don’t know what to do with it, but know that ardvark will, for whom it was probably meant anyway.)

This will be a very long post. I will enumerate questions so that they can be picked out easily to respond to. A couple may be repetitive because I notice that your male brains zero in on the main concern, and the questions I ask that deal with what may be considered peripheral issues aren’t noticed. Believe me, I am so thankful for you guys and your brains—this is not a criticism, just a female observation.

In case I haven’t made it clear—I have no money for buying new software or a new computer, etc., so a rescue is needed. I would love to have a faster pc with (I guess) Windows XP, and a fast internet connection. Not an option now.

  1. Ardvark, I spoke to one of the people my sister was able to direct me to for advice. Here is the gist of what he said: I need the OS CD that was used to install the os that is currently on the pc, and that I need the registration number, key code, etc., whatever the identifying number is. (He said that what was used sounds like it might have been a “distributor’s” copy, which could be used to install the same OS on many new pcs, and that the same serial number would be used on all the pcs.) Do you agree??

  2. He said if I could put in MY OS CD obtained from the company from which I purchased the pc, I could look to see if there’s a file with “key code” or something similar in the title to see if it has the key code. Does that sound feasible to you?

  3. As to determining the “nature” of the CD I got from the company and what its contents are, this is all I know about it at this point: Evidently (and again, I have not seen this, it was told to me by someone who inserted it into his pc to look at it) it starts with Open CD>English>Win 2000> Pro, and there are then many folders, including Setup.exe.

The CD has “Win2K Pro” written on it with a marker pen (if I had been more savvy four years ago, I should have realized this was not all it should be, so to speak, but, . . .)—it is not an official factory copy.

  1. But even if this CD is a burned copy with a “bad burn” or missing files, wouldn’t the fact that it’s not the CD the guy used to install the OS the last time be the reason that Window Files Protection message says “the CD you have provided is the wrong CD”?

  2. Do I understand correctly: if my CD is okay (meaning that it really is a workable OS CD, even if it is a copy), it should be usable by Windows to restore the “unrecognized file versions,” even though it is not the CD used for this current install??

  3. What does COA and OEM mean, ardvark?

  4. Would my setting Hidden files to be shown (as explained in my first post) have allowed viruses to spread to the system files more easily?

  5. Are system files and registry files synonymous?

  6. If the system files referred to by WFP are restored (somehow), how could I find out if viruses caused the problem?

As I said in my first post: Since he’s returned the pc, I’ve still had recurring warnings of viruses and Trojans from the antivirus program. I’ve run several scans and moved all that were found to the Virus Chest, then deleted them after a while. From time to time, more warnings alert me to viruses, etc., and I move them to the chest. I don’t know if they are the same ones coming at me from hidden areas on the pc or new ones with the same names coming from the internet.” The last two thorough scans I ran did not find any viruses from doing the actual scans.

Does avast scan the Registry?

Can avast scan flashdrives (though I don’t have any, I need some, and since they are plugged into a port, I’m not sure how avast’s protection works with them—yes, I’m very ignorant!)?

If the system files are miraculously restored, would running an avast boot-time scan be more helpful?

  1. May I ask these questions to do with viruses in this post? Having to move all this—or spread it out to the Virus forum would be very confusing for me. But what is the protocol? I am asking them since I am concerned that’s the reason this WFP problem arose.

  2. My computer, which I’ve always turned off nightly, has been on for over a week and a half because I’m afraid that if it’s having a stability problem, it might not restart. Please give me your opinion as to whether you think it is more harmful to leave it on right now (could that make viruses more apt to spread) or to turn it off.

  3. ardvark: Here is the information for my computer:

Dell Optiplex GX1 Pentium III Intel
Model # MMP
Serial Number 963WI

I don’t know if the company I bought the pc from was the original purchaser of it or not. I learned of this computer because a former boss worked there at the time and was trying to help me out. He left there several years ago. He is one of my references, and I don’t like to bother him unless it is possible-job-related reasons so as not to become a pest. I say this to explain why I haven’t asked him if he could give me any contact info to ask questions of them. The person who “set up” the pc for me may not be there any longer either, etc.

At any rate, the name of the company is Encore Development Inc. I have looked up the address and phone number, but that’s the extent of my “research.” If you want to pursue contacting them—or urge me to do so—I will divulge or use the info as the case may be.

  1. What is a “restore CD” exactly?
    What is a “boot disk”?
    Are they synonymous?
    How do they differ from an operating system CD?

Believe it or not, I have so many more questions I could/need to ask. You guys are probably saying, “Yikes! Just the facts, ma’am.” But I do try to explain—and ask—everything I deem pertinent. If it makes you feel any better, I have a vicious headache from trying to keep my posts (I have several different ones going) straight, replying to them, understanding everything in them—not to mention, the plethora of “challenges” facing me in the rest of my non-computer life areas.

Again, though I need to resolve all problems ASAP, I may lag sometimes in responding to your help. It is never because I don’t appreciate your time and effort.

Hi Safetynut…

I will answer the questions that I can provide an answer for…

Watch the toes, please. :slight_smile:

In case I haven’t made it clear—I have no money for buying new software or a new computer, etc., so a rescue is needed. I would love to have a faster pc with (I guess) Windows XP, and a fast internet connection. Not an option now.

I am aware of this and I know how you feel. I’ll see what I can do to help you in this, despite the problems concerning your copies of Windows 2000. :slight_smile:

1. Ardvark, I spoke to one of the people my sister was able to direct me to for advice. Here is the gist of what he said: I need the OS CD that was used to install the os that is currently on the pc, and that I need the registration number, key code, etc., whatever the identifying number is. (He said that what was used sounds like it might have been a “distributor’s” copy, which could be used to install the same OS on many new pcs, and that the same serial number would be used on all the pcs.) Do you agree??

I think he means a “corporate” copy, which describes what he’s referring to. The problem is that you aren’t legally entitled to use that copy, if that is the case.

2. He said if I could put in MY OS CD obtained from the company from which I purchased the pc, I could look to see if there’s a file with “key code” or something similar in the title to see if it has the key code. Does that sound feasible to you?

Considering the nature and source of the CD, I don’t feel comfortable answering this per Microsoft licensing regulations.

3. As to determining the “nature” of the CD I got from the company and what its contents are, this is all I know about it at this point: Evidently (and again, I have not seen this, it was told to me by someone who inserted it into his pc to look at it) it starts with Open CD>English>Win 2000> Pro, and there are then many folders, including Setup.exe.

The CD has “Win2K Pro” written on it with a marker pen (if I had been more savvy four years ago, I should have realized this was not all it should be, so to speak, but, . . .)—it is not an official factory copy.

I had a feeling it would be. I’m wondering if this might be a “corporate” copy as well.

4. But even if this CD is a burned copy with a “bad burn” or missing files, wouldn’t the fact that it’s not the CD the guy used to install the OS the last time be the reason that Window Files Protection message says “the CD you have provided is the wrong CD”?

It’s possible. It may be a slight version difference.

5. Do I understand correctly: if my CD is okay (meaning that it really is a workable OS CD, even if it is a copy), it should be usable by Windows to restore the “unrecognized file versions,” even though it is not the CD used for this current install??

Please see my answer to question 2.

6. What does COA and OEM mean, ardvark?

This explains what a COA is…

http://www.microsoft.com/resources/howtotell/content.aspx?pg=coa

OEM is “Original Equipment Manufacturer.” Here is a post I made to PamJ regarding the licensing standards of OEM versions of Windows…

http://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=40054.msg336050#msg336050

7. Would my setting Hidden files to be shown (as explained in my first post) have allowed viruses to spread to the system files more easily?

No. This is just a setting to allow you, the user, to see the files (or not.) It wouldn’t stop a virus that was intent on finding and either corrupting and destroying these files.

8. Are system files and registry files synonymous?

No. Two different functions and purposes. :wink: System files are needed and used by Windows to operate itself and other programs…

http://www.smartcomputing.com/editorial/article.asp?article=articles%2F2004%2Fs1501%2F07s01%2F07s01.asp

Here are two sites that describe the registry, the wikipedia artcle being far more technical…

http://www.webopedia.com/DidYouKnow/Hardware_Software/2005/windows_system_registry.asp

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Registry

11. My computer, which I’ve always turned off nightly, has been on for over a week and a half because I’m afraid that if it’s having a stability problem, it might not restart. Please give me your opinion as to whether you think it is more harmful to leave it on right now (could that make viruses more apt to spread) or to turn it off.

I have no way of knowing as far as the viruses are concerned. It shouldn’t hurt the hardware, however, if Windows starts acting extremely sluggish, it will need to be “refreshed” by rebooting it.

12. ardvark: Here is the information for my computer:

Dell Optiplex GX1 Pentium III Intel
Model # MMP
Serial Number 963WI

I don’t know if the company I bought the pc from was the original purchaser of it or not. I learned of this computer because a former boss worked there at the time and was trying to help me out. He left there several years ago. He is one of my references, and I don’t like to bother him unless it is possible-job-related reasons so as not to become a pest. I say this to explain why I haven’t asked him if he could give me any contact info to ask questions of them. The person who “set up” the pc for me may not be there any longer either, etc.

At any rate, the name of the company is Encore Development Inc. I have looked up the address and phone number, but that’s the extent of my “research.” If you want to pursue contacting them—or urge me to do so—I will divulge or use the info as the case may be.

Thank you, I will see if getting you a restore CD is a possibility. :slight_smile: It might cost ten or twenty dollars just so that you are aware. I will know later if more information from the company is needed.

13. What is a “restore CD” exactly? What is a “boot disk”? Are they synonymous? How do they differ from an operating system CD?

A restore CD is a OEM (Dell, HP, Gateway, etc.) specific CD that has the operating system (Windows) and additional software (added by the manufacturer) bundled together for specific model(s) of computers made by a given manufacturer.

A boot disk has Microsoft or other vendor’s software (either from floppy or CD typically,) that loads a minimal set of system drivers and other files into memory so that certain functions can be performed on the system. This could include virus, memory or other diagnostic scans.

Operating system CD’s usually have just the copy of Windows on it and are not system specific as restore CD’s are. However, OEM versions of these discs have their own requirements as well. Please refer to my post to PamJ in question 6.

Best Regards…

Hi Safetynut…

I was able to contact Dell but unfortunately they don’t have a restore CD for your system because of its age and that even if they did, the CD would only have Windows 95, which is almost completely unsupported at this point in time. :frowning:

Please see my PM for the phone and case number of my conversation.

It’s possible that the system you have originally had a Pentium II processor but was upgraded by Encore to a Pentium III. Specifications for your system are here…

http://support.dell.com/support/edocs/systems/ban_gx1/specs.htm

I am sorry but there isn’t anything I can do because of the situation with your current operating system and the original CD (Microsoft licensing standards.) The only thing I know to suggest is to see if someone that you know could help you with a retail version of Windows 2000 or possibly XP, depending on the amount of memory installed on your system. You would need, preferably, 512 MB’s for XP to run smoothly, 384 minimum. You can find a copy of Windows XP Home here…

http://www.royaldiscount.com/wixphoedsp2.html

I’ve dealt with this firm myself and have been pleased with their service. You can find copies on ebay (that might be a bit cheaper) but you need to be know for sure what you are purchasing…

http://computers.shop.ebay.com/items/_W0QQ_dmptZUSQ5fSoftware?_nkw=Windows+2000+full+retail&_sacat=11226&_fromfsb=&_trksid=m270&_odkw=&_osacat=11226

http://computers.shop.ebay.com/items/_W0QQ_dmptZUSQ5fSoftware?_nkw=Windows+XP+Home+full+retail&_sacat=11226&_fromfsb=&_trksid=m270.l1313&_odkw=Windows+2000+full+retail&_osacat=11226

Just so that you are aware, you don’t want to purchase server versions of these OS’s. :wink:

I’m sorry I couldn’t be of more help to you but I will be happy to answer any further questions you have (that I can answer. :))

May God Bless you!