He thinks you’re arguing i guess(not sure about that) but what i’m sure is that it doesn’t upset him Bob he just doesn’t want for you two to start arguing(i’m not saying that you are) that’s all 
Cheers
Mikey
Not to worry, Technical and I never argue. We do on occasion have discussions. Just look at his last post and the one I sent back. That’s hardley an argument. ;D
I’m glad , it just seemed there for a moment that you two will start arguing that’s all and Polonus thought all hell will break loose i guess 
All that is just because Tech sends kisses to his forum pals… ;D ;D ;D
Btw, kisse from me to everybody all forum females :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* (had to change this because some people obviously never heard of jokking, even when smilies are so visible : )
Uuuuhhh… these are nice… smooches :-* cmok :-* cmok :-* cmok :-* cmok :-* cmok :-* cmok :-* cmok ;D ;D ;D
Guys you’re really starting to freak me out…Are you fags now? ;D ;D ;D
Gee this place has been seen far to many strange men around here in their very strange way :o, better call the fireman to give these guys a hose down body chill.
And I don’t wanna know cause I am a member of the forth wise monkey club ;D
After all, I would like that Alwil take it a litte bit more seriously and don’t let my words be lost in the jungle of the posts.
Please, take in consideration:
Thanks.
Have you seen all those smilies around ? I guess not… and take a good look at our wonderful wifes, and then think of it… would it be clever to abandon such a beautiful creatures just like that ?
So I wouldn’t say there are some strange men around… at least not in this thread… take it rather as a joke
This is one of the reasons the off-topic was closed. Please stay on topic, I dont want to loose this one too.
Thanks DarkParrot… I want an Alwil official answer too… Am I expecting that much from them?
Oho, now we are off-topic Tech… why didn’t you say you think that way ?
I guess nothing counts in here, just when we make thousands and thousands of useful posts helping others with technical issues. I am not ashamed, anyone can always look at my posts with thousands of screenshots attached to help new avast! users to navigate easier… but when I try to defend myself and btw you Tech, for some stupid remark about “weird people”, then I am off-topic… why don’t you ban us all from here ? :
I am not taking any sides in this, heck I havent read half the posts (just breezed through). I just saw the beginnings of a flame war. I figured I would say something before it happened. Sorry if I offended anyone.
You’re misunderstanding me.
This will become Off Topic if Alwil does not answer.
This will become Off Topic if we keep arguing that Bob and I are fighting…
I just don’t wanna loose an oficial answer. Just this. You’ve overestimating or seeing second intentions that I don’t have.
Are you crazy? :
What’s happening with you, please, I never imagine you’ll take my words this way… C’mon, we’re friends and I’m not evaluating posts here, just want an official answer and, because of this, I gently thanked to DarkParrot. Nothing else. If I hurt any feeling of any user, my deeply apologyse.
Alwil? ??? ??? :
I’ll try to explain my point of view (and I hope it’s not very different from Eduards).
Somebody wrote a booklet on avast! Home and started to sell it. There’s nothing wrong about it - provided the content of the booklet is original, i.e. not copied from avast! help files or similar sources. Anybody can write a book on anything and we can’t do anything about it (even if it had negative comments on avast!, for example). I believe that we actually should be happy about a (good) book on avast!, as it could help the popularity.
I briefly checked the screenshot from this thread and it doesn’t look like copied from the help files or program to me (even though I cannot speak Portuguese, so it’s not easy to say). Sure, it’s just 2 pages, we don’t know what’s the rest, but it doesn’t look suspicous to me. I’m not sure about the usefullness of the booklet, but I’m probably not the right one to judge.
Now, they also included a bonus CD with avast! along with the booklet. Well, that’s not OK. They would need to have a specific permission to distribute avast! on a CD, free redistribution of avast! is not permitted. Also, putting avast! logo on the CD doesn’t seem OK.
However, if they had asked for the permission (to put avast! on the accompanying CD), they may have got it. Of course, we would like to see the booklet first (to make sure it’s not copied from avast!, and also to make sure that it’s real, not just a few useless lines - because they’d be actually selling just avast! Home then).
Anyway, the booklet has now disappeared from their pages, so I think we can stop speculating on the subject.
Regarding the quoted questions - I don’t see any connection between having a Brazilian webpage and solving this kind of problems…
As for the cooperation - well, I don’t really understand what “use their service” mean. It’s necessary (for them) to understand the avast! 4 Home is free, i.e. we don’t make any profit of it. So, I’m not sure what kind of support they expect…
First of all, thanks. We’re glad to note that we can get official answers when needed.
Not directly but you can have an official way to get news and information about avast!
For instance, there could be, in Portuguese, for everybody to understand: free redistribution of avast! is not permitted!.
Don’t you think so?
Ok, we agree.
It’s not, it’s a good one, but with errors. I can’t judge all the booklet as I don’t have it and can’t download.
Thanks for posting what we thought since from the beginning.
If they ask… They don’t want to ask. I don’t know why. Maybe an agreement brings work, troubles, law stuffs, etc.
The booklet is useful, could help, but you should ‘see’ it before… but you did not have that change. So I’ve posted this fact.
Keep eyes opened. I don’t think they will throw away what they’ve done… it will reapear…
Me either… I can’t imagine what kind of support they want but one thing makes me think: why do they don’t want to ask you for permition? why do they don’t want to get in contact with you?
Use their service means allow they to sell books about antivirus and other products to get popularity and increase market share.
Support? I can’t understant how can they get support if they don’t get in contact…
My name is Aurelio Minerbo and I’m responsible for the website BABOO (www.baboo.com.br). Our website has been online since 1999 and today we are one of the largest websites about computing in Brazil. We have a partnership with MSN Brazil (www.msn.com.br/informatica) and each month about 950,000 users read our news, articles and tutorials. We also own the largest discussion group about computing in Brazil: Forum do BABOO (www.babooforum.com.br), which has about 180,000 registered users and 2 million messages up to now.
On October, 15th, we received an aggressive letter from Lisandro Carmona demanding the removal of the booklet “Avast! Home Edition” from our online store. He told us we couldn’t sell it unless we paid the copyright fees to him or Alwil Software.
Let me explain that every booklet we sell at the “Loja do BABOO” includes a free CD-ROM. We offer booklets about security programs like Norton Internet Security 2005 (BABOO is the only company in Brazil awarded by Symantec for excellency on the content of our booklet), AVG Free 7.0, NOD32, ZoneAlarm Free, among others. Because almost all internet users in Brazil still use dial-up connections, we decided to include a free CD-ROM with the application to help them use the software without the need of downloading it. Our Avast! CD-ROM had the Brazilian and English versions of Avast!
The content of our booklet, on the other hand, was about the brazilian version of “Avast! Home Edition” and it was entirely created by our own team. The images of the content were printscreens of Avast! Home Edition and I figured it was not illegal to use them since there is nothing regarding their use in the License Agreement. The only section regarding content is “(…) In other words, you may not copy the Software or the Documentation except as set forth in the section 1 of this license agreement. Any copies that you are permitted to make pursuant to this Agreement must contain the same copyright and other proprietary notices which appear on or in the Software”.
Every CD-ROM of every booklet we sell has a phrase printed about copyright and the free CD-ROM included with our Avast! booklet had the phrase “avast! é marca registrada da ALWIL Software” (avast! is copyright of ALWIL SOftware).
You can take a look at pages 14 and 15 of our Avast! booklet at http://www.baboo.com.br/booklet_avast_1415_nomore.gif.
Our team is very ethical and competent and these are two reasons among others that we’ve had an exclusive partnership with MSN Brazil (the portal of Microsoft in Brazil) since 2001. Unfortunately, Mr. Carmona wasn’t interested in talking to us about our booklet. Instead, he was aggressive and threatened us in every single e-mail he sent.
To avoid any trouble with ALWIL, we decided not to sell nor publish any info about Avast! anymore nor any software from this company in our website. We also deleted all information we had published about Avast! since 1999, including a 3-page review with dozens of infos and pictures we had published about version 4.6 a few months ago.
Since then, dozens of thousands users have been able to read news and reviews about many excellent security products in the market, but none from ALWIL. We’re now finishing eight new booklets about the 2006 versions of many security products - and again, none from ALWIL.
As I wrote earlier, about 950,000 users access our main website each single month and I’m pretty sure that Mr. Carmona’s behavior didn’t benefit ALWIL in anyway by making such “drama” about this matter.
Regarding some infos I wrote in this topic:
“Then how can they charge for a program that is free for home users?”
=> The CD-ROM is free. We charge only for the booklet.
“and they use the concepts of avast! help files to make they’re selling book of avast!”
=> The content of our booklet is not based on any Help file.
“they’re stealing my work, your work, avast! is being sold in CD, they’re making money…”
=> That’s not true. The CD-ROM is free and we could still sell the booklet without the CD-ROM.
“Why don’t they sell AVG? Because here we have AVG site, AVG resellers, etc.”
=> We do. And we sell NOD32 and NIS 2005 (NIS 2006 in January) too.
“a company that release a free software deserves respect”
=> The same way a website trying to show your products to almost one million users. All news and reviews about Avast! were free in our website.
“They’ve sent me another email in which they agreed to get in contact with Alwil and get permission to do that or decide other thing.”
=> We decided we don’t want to have any relationship with a company who allow their translators to threaten us instead of helping us to spread their products.
To threaten a major website about software in Brazil was an unfortunate idea. In order to avoid further damages to the company, ALWIL should instruct their translators not to threaten anyone nor try to pass for lawyers. Mr. Carmona should have instead helped us improve the content of the booklet if for nothing else, to benefit and better advertise Alwill. As an example: Symantec assisted us in the developing of some content of our Norton Internet Security 2005 booklet and today it is one of our best sellers. Team work is the key to success to all.
May this serve as a word of advise for future proceedings.
Regretfully.
Funny but i don’t know any Carmona at Alwil Software (unless they don’t list legal department contact under Contacts). Are you really sure you talked to Alwil personel?
I somehow doubt they’d be so aggresive (as far as i know them).
Carmona Lisandro is our Tech (Technical) but no one knows him under his real name in here. RejZoR you need to read the whole thread to understand this whole story.
I suggest start from here:
http://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=16924.0 (Start of this thread)
This is not truth. It wasn’t agressive. On contrary, you were aggressive against me.
Completely lye… you’re lying nothing more. I’ve tried that you enter in contact with Alwil a lot of times and you denied. You don’t want to lose time you’ve said. It’s not truth.
My behavior was always transparent. On contrary, your behavior posting for the first time here, after a long time, just to blame against me is not ethical.
Alwil will judge my behavior. They never said me nothing. I’ll change my mind when they post anything against my behavior here.
One pays the other.
There are technical errors.
I could never have an answer from you… you just remove the avast material from the site.
Other users, not from your site, thanked for my behavior and show me a lot of problems you’re having with other brazilian sites about copyright material.
On contrary, you denied to get contact. I do not represent Alwil in Brazil.
Again, if they ask me to change my behavior I will. No problems. I respect them. I don’t make money giving help here. You, on contrary, spread your products for money.
You’re disrespecting my work here and like a translator too. Benefit and better advertise Alwil? You’re doing for money, nothing more.