When you are changing a Word file and are about to shut down Windows Vista
you are being prompted with a question to save the file before shutting Vista
So far so good, this is standard procedures.
Same goes when you have installed energy saving mode, when you push the on/off
button to close down the PC the same prompt comes up, when you choose to annul this
action, the shut-down procedure is canceled, and you will stay inside Windows. No sweat.
What will happen if a Word document (or any other for that matter) is left open, and you
have set the screen saver time to 10 min and you need your password to get out of
the screen saving mode, and the screen saving mode is active (a normal situation to have)
When you push the on/off button you are neatly directed back to Windows, then give in ignore
and you are logged on- flat out. Is this a Vista security hole? We would think so, but
no according to Microsoft this is illegal behavior, against the law and so is not their business,
it is your own responsibility. Do not leave your workspace, don’t go to the loo.
That is why Vista is starting to slowly develop the reputation of ME, even after SP1, we see wrong
time estimates at copying files. Double directories of which some are very hard to remove.
Hangs, file extensions that cannot be changed. 50 Windows services at start-up that
seek an open connection to the Internet.
Vista users, watch your steps, or wait until it gets golden,
Honestly i find ppl whining over Vista super annoying. I’m not exactly sure what MS did to ppl for them to hate MS so much, but i’m 50000% positive it’s not Vista’s fault (i’m speculating on mass sheep effect, one says it sux and all others jump the bandwagon even though they have no freakin clue). And comparing Vista with WinMe is like a sick joke. There is not a single WinMe quality (or shall we say lack of it) in WinVista. Not even the slightest one.
This has nothing to do with Window(s)-bashing at all, but simply listing some annoyances. Because that is what it is, and it has always been that way. When XP came people wanted to go back to 98SE as well.
Have you seen something else than Microsoft mentioned in my posting? The Microsoft Technical Certificates are hanging on my study wall and the Microsoft official Curriculum is on my bookshelf. You cannot hold it against me if the reading about Microsoft is not to your liking. If it only helps to make the product better and more secure! And things are just what you experience (XP), some work still with original Windows ME (and the original computer- 15 years old) ,and find it a hell of a good distribution. And I know of a malware fighter I really hold high that has Windows SE98, because he knows that distribution from head to toe!
Vista is the worst Windows OS ever, period. SP1 fixed nothing, not a single thing, nada, zero. People are super annoyed with Vista, and more and more are realizing the same. Huge PC brands are loosing huge amounts of money because so many “normal”, regular every-day users are constantly returning this OS requesting an XP installations instead. Businesses are not switching to Vista either. Microsoft dug such a deep hole with this OS that’s nothing but a failure. Why such a rush releasing so called Windows 7 or whatever it’s going to be called at the end (Windows Phoenix maybe?)… I guess MS admitted in the beginning that Vista is nothing but one huge failure. If it works so good, why would they rush releasing brand new OS in just few months after releasing Vista ? Something smells fishy here… but I don’t care, OS X runs so good that I am 110% sure I’ll never ever go back to Windows. Even Ubuntu and Kubuntu (PCLinuxOS as well) are at least 300 times more usable than Vista… I say “even” just because we all know Linux is still not as user friendly as Windows is, plus there is no such a rainbow of useful software as there is for Windows… but again, OS X has all that and more, it is more beautiful, it is more secure and best of all it is a real pleasure to use it, a feeling that is very difficult to describe to someone who never had a chance to experience it. Have to thank to our friend Kyle for constantly “pushing” me towards this beautiful OS. If I did not buy my Mac, I would never ever know how good it is. Thanks Kyle, I’m so grateful you introduced Apple to me.
SP1 for Vista fixed nothing? Thats a dumb response for someone who obviously has no clue what he’s saying…
It’s funny to watch ppl installing Vista for 5 hours just to find out it suxorz hard and they delete it right away.
To start with Vista doesn’t even work fast at start, it becomes faster over time (day or two) and then stays at that.
It has to be some internal caching and auto optimization built-in. Ppl also cry over how demanding it is. I call that bullshit.
I’ve been testing Vista RC builds on 1GB and 1,5GB systems with AthlonXP 2400+ (OC’ed to 3200+) and GeForce 6600GT. It worked fairly well considering a crappy CPU and not that much RAM and considering very unfinished version of Vista (RC builds) including very crapy driver support for graphic cards from NVIDIA at that time. Later on i was installing Vista (now final) on co-workers lappy with Turion64 X2 1,6GHz, 1GB of RAM and S3 Chrome grahpic card. Worked like a charm when i instaled all the drivers. Later on again Vista on my main box using E4300 (oc’ed to 3,15GHz), 2GB RAM and Radeon x1950 Pro. That was 32bit version, now i’m running 64bit version and also works like charm, maybe even a bit faster with certain apps and games. Runs like rocket all the way. And then my sisters lappy, Acer 5520G with Turion64 X2 1,8GHz, 2GB RAM and GeForce 8400M. Again runs like rocket. So i’m really not sure what the hell ppl are doing for Visto to suck so bad. Coz i just can’t see the thing.
People also blame MS for thing that have absolutely nothing to do with MS or Vista. Drivers delivered by hardware vendors are if you ask me problematic in 75% of time, other 25% is possibly Vista itself. PC trashes because chipset drivers are badly written. And who gets blamed for bad performance of memory controllers and disk I/O ? Microsoft. Bad framerates in games? They again blame Microsoft even though actual problem lies in crappy graphics drivers. It’s like blaming BMW for having shitty cars just because Michelin tire blew up on it.
Is it BMW’s fault that Michelin tire went bad? Of course they aren’t. Same with MS. But no, ppl jump to their own stupid conclusions and do more harm than good. And everything goes around this crap with Vista ever since it’s release. There is very little problems where there is actual problem within Vista. There were actually only 3 or 4 bugs actually in Vista and they were all fixed before or after SP1 pack.
File copying, slow memory card transfers (under SP1 it now always tops cards transfer rate capabilities, even my Philips MP3 player copies stuff far faster XP could ever do) and two issues regarding memory management with graphic cards. All fixed even though i haven’t noticed those related to graphics.
So do tell me what the hell is so wrong with it? Obviously i’m the only one supporting Microsoft regarding Vista. I’m no MS fanboy and i’m open to alternatives. I love Linux for my PING partition restoration tool or Linux in my net router and even Slax comes in handy here and there and i’m thinking of going dual boot with Ubuntu… MacOS is out of option for now because i’d have to buy their hardware, but if i could buy their OS standalone i actually might. There is still a possibility i’ll buy their Macbook someday (next computer will probably be laptop, still not sure though)… But when i see ppl bashing Microsoft’s OS for stupid or no reason i get really pissed. Why? Not because i’m a fanboy but because no one deserves stupid bashing for no reason, be it MS, Apple or open source Linux distros. What has Microsoft done to you or anyone else to bash them just because they’re Microsoft and it’s cool to talk bad about them? If you want to be cool on forums and blogs you have to talk trash about Microsoft and there will be 50 more idiots agreeing with you just because they’re stupid idiots. Of course they probably all run pirated XP’s or Vista. So much for that… do you see what i mean now?
I really hope you do…
I wouldn’t know: I never took up the offer of a free upgrade to Vista for this computer. However, I know this statement is not true for me:
Linux is still not as user friendly as Windows is, plus there is no such a rainbow of useful software as there is for Windows..
I was using Ubuntu equally as easily as XP within a few weeks, and I have access to the software I need, only now it’s not ‘borrowed’ or cracked or keygened. 8)
(Yes, I know it’s different if you are a professional who needs professional software and has a professional budget.)
@Rejzor: I totally agree with you, the problems in Vista are because of the drivers and simply people not knowing how to use/set it up properly.
This isn’t something i read somewhere but it is my personal experience. Vista is flying here with all the latest drivers and i am very happy it’s like that.
Before all those flaky drivers were a real pain(thinking about Creative and Nvidia here in particular on my machine) but like i said lately with all those new drivers it’s been working fantastically !
@Sash: I understand you completely aswell, it is a pain when you have bought Vista and it’s running at a snail’s pace but i don’t understand how SP1 and updated drivers don’t do the trick for you. I know you don’t believe me or Rejzor when we say Vista runs perfectly on our rigs but check this screenshot i made.
I am telling you dude i have the same hdd’s in here as when i had XP but in XP the speed when copying files never went past 50 MB/s . Interesting huh ?
What we have to admit is that Vista is a lot more secure than XP will ever be. And this is a fact.
Do not accuse me of one-sidedness. I like to be fair and I have to 2014 to change over to Vista, and then the computer I write this on has been gone for a long, long time.
Just a side-remark. I thought that people allways started with installing drivers before installing a Windows OS, and that has been the practice as I have experienced it. Vista is another Windows OS, not a simple XP upgrade, and if that results in conflicts the only one to blame is the user. FwF is right there,
Vista is the worst Windows OS ever, period. SP1 fixed nothing, not a single thing, nada, zero.
Amazing that this comes from a user who, not to long ago, praised Vista as a [b]great system[/b].
I have Vista on my laptop and XP on 2 desktops.
Vista is by far more secure that XP and, after going through a small learning curve, is just as easy to use as XP.
I find the graphics a lot more pleasing in Vista. :)
Something i forgot to mention before that i remembered after re-reading Rejzor’s post again, i can honestly say the FPS performance has gone up considerably ON MY RIG(i can’t talk about other computers obviously) compared to what it was 1 yr ago when i put on Vista.
That is pure speculation buddy fueled by a rumour that isn’t true(that windows 7 is coming out next year) ! The way i see it they ain’t rushing anywhere …
Besides we all know how good MS is with dates, i say if windows 7 comes out sooner than 2011 i am buying a round ! ;D
And to those who say Vista is crap, what makes you so sure Windows 7 won’t be crap aswell ? I advise you to look into Linux then or Mac’s, simple as that but don’t try to convince us Vista users that it’s crap because we do have EYES and believe it or not we actually see what is going on our rigs …
Bob, you’re happy you have so many computers around… if (meaning: when) Vista fails, you can easily switch to one of XP machines. I never liked Vista nor I will. It is slow and it is buggy, period. Just take a look at some simple actions you do in Vista… for God’s sake it needs to refresh the screen resolution (you can see a quick black screen flash in between actions). What’s up with that ? And it is not video card not video card drivers issue… it’s happening on every single system running Vista. Dealing with graphical subsystem is not the best attribute Vista has.
Well, enough said… if you like it, I hope you can enjoy it. As we all have rights, I choose not to like it. You are free to have your own favorite OS.
You are completely entitled to your views, and if you have these experiences I do believe you. And after reading a bit further on this matter I think I have come closer to the crux of your problems. There are drivers out there that are produced to work on Vista and they do not do the job right, while others that qualify are not being used. These conflicts will give you the impression that Vista is lousy, and in that case it is like with every OS without the exact right drivers to make it glide without a glitch. See this link: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=431788
I always try to give the facts as I find them, and if it appears to be differently, I have learned another lesson. I will stay with XP for a while now, and I know some very apt people that are happy with that choice, and for the others it is a free world, my friends,
It looks like I have to repeat this thousands of times… I have never ever experienced even one single issue with drivers in Vista. My laptop came with Vista preinstalled and I have never ever had any drivers issue. I also checked (nothing else was left to do) and every single driver for this laptop’s original hardware has signed drivers by Microsoft. That should tell you a lot. It simply works crappy, no drivers caused it’s behavior. You have to wait that lazy OS for every single action you do… even those useless semi-transparent windows are minimizing and maximizing like shitty snail. It takes a whole second for something that should happen immediately. I said “whole second” just because when you have to do it like million of times in case you have to constantly switch back and forth between your applications, you simply get sea-sick watching that useless animation all over again.
Not sure what is the learning curve here… what is that, that actually needs to be learned ? Everything is exactly the same as in old OS, except some things simply don’t work as they should.
All I see here is that you used “idiots” term one to many times… Thank you, I wouldn’t call you idiot ever . Also I don’t even want to go through everything you wrote up there, just a little thing here:
It's like blaming BMW for having shitty cars just because Michelin tire blew up on it.
First of all, cars have nothing to do with this. Second, OS should be compared to car’s engine, not with tires. If engine doesn’t work properly, something is truly wrong with the unit. Remember, in your statement, you mentioned BMW and Michellin… we are talking about Microsoft and Microsoft, they are pushing PCs and they are developing this OS for same machines.
Talking about pirated Vistas, I won’t even go there RejZor BTW, my laptop ACER Aspire came with Vista preinstalled, so I sure paid for it. I don’t even have it installed anymore, sitting here on DVD and collecting dust. XP does everything Vista couldn’t have done properly. True, it is not always Vista’s fault, sometimes developers didn’t bother to develop Vista version of some wonderful application I use for my work, so it’s not possible to run it on Vista… but I don’t care who is to blame in that case, it is not up to me nor up to you are they going to develop it or not. I simply switch to something that simply works and that’s exactly what I did.
Vista hasn’t given me many problems, the only problems I had were due to my Nvidia drivers being crap, but they are much better now and so far no problems for several months.
The idiots part was for, well the idiots, not you directly. Where you want to be is up to you
As for the BMW/Michelin analogy, you missed the exact point with your comparison. If you want engine analogy, there are also parts in BMW engines not developed or assembled by BMW like for example BOSCH pumps, Philips electronics etc. If any of those fails, it’s not exactly BMW’s fault…
Microsoft is pushing PC’s and they do make Windows OS. But they DO NOT make hardware and they DO NOT provide drivers for it. So when some device fails (which is not from Microsoft) it’s that exact hardware piece vendor to blame first. When that gets sorted out (if at all) you move on to OS vendor. But ppl do the opposite.
Blame Microsoft for everything even if a giant red popup is flashing the message "NVIDIA GRAPHIC DRIVER FAILED <INSERT_SOME_ERROR> OMG OMG OMG!!!1111ONEONEONE. Isn’t that just plain dumb?
@Sash how can you be so certain the drivers on your rig work perfectly ? You reverse engineered them ? C’mon man, poor drivers don’t necesserily mean that everything breaks and you get a million errors, they can appear to be working perfectly BUT STILL DELIVER POOR PERFORMANCE.
Where I want to be ? Don’t you think you should tell me this ?
...As for the BMW/Michelin analogy, you missed the exact point with your comparison. If you want engine analogy, there are also parts in BMW engines not developed or assembled by BMW like for example BOSCH pumps, Philips electronics etc. If any of those fails, it's not exactly BMW's fault...
Really, too deep into car industry… maybe that’s why I don’t drive BMW, I went with Dodge.
...Microsoft is pushing PC's and they do make Windows OS. But they DO NOT make hardware and they DO NOT provide drivers for it. So when some device fails (which is not from Microsoft) it's that exact hardware piece vendor to blame first. When that gets sorted out (if at all) you move on to OS vendor. But ppl do the opposite.
Blame Microsoft for everything even if a giant red popup is flashing the message "NVIDIA GRAPHIC DRIVER FAILED OMG OMG OMG!!!1111ONEONEONE. Isn't that just plain dumb?
Plain dumb is mentioning this only… giant red pop-up was never mentioned by me, nor I ever experienced it, so really there is not a single reason for bringing this up. You just want to show off your teeth when people are talking or better say trashing this OS. I paid a significant amount of money for it, even more than it is worth, I believe I have all rights to complain if something that should work, DOES NOT work properly.
Ganging up on me Miha ? I am not sure what is the point of this… what is your suggestion in this case ? To develop my own drivers, is that what you say ? How can you look for something that does not even exist. If I have drivers that are signed by Microsoft itself what is the problem then ? Have you ever heard that you can, but it is highly advisable not to install drivers not signed by MS ? Well, I have to all signed here, so there really should be no trouble with them… searching for some extra-terrestrial ones just to make this OS run is nonsense. I switched from Tiger to Leopard, got so many good things and I never got any trouble with anything. It was flawless. This is pointless, there will always be some people defending it and some attacking it. I am not anyone’s fanboy, I have both systems at home so I can be and I sure am as objective as possible. I did not switch to Mac ditching my PC completely, OK almost, but I still have it and use it so I really have no reason to feel like I am on “the other side”. I’m just noticing the goods in one and the bads in another one.
