YouTube HTML5 Video Player

General Topics
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http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2358335,00.asp
http://www.youtube.com/html5

hope this hasn’t been posted already :wink:

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Unfortunately, the html5 video player doesn’t work in firefox :frowning:

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works fine in Chrome :wink:

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Hi Logos,

It works well in Chrome, also Vimeo now launched it: http://vimeo.com/blog:268
What downloader to use to save the video’s on my comp as a media .flv file or is this being brought in to make downloading video files somewhat harder?
I now use a special add-on for Firefox.
http://javimoya.com/blog/youtube_en.php
Other ways: http://mashable.com/2007/05/05/download-youtube-video/
The old way was to simply put the word kiss in front of the YouTube url, does that still work with these video’s as well?
Eleven other ways to do it:
http://www.tvjoost.nl/12-manieren-om-videos-van-youtube-google-video-en-andere-videosites-te-downloaden

polonus

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don’t know…the thing is I don’t know how to download videos from Chrome. I do it sometimes in Firefox (via flashgot) only and Firefox as you know doesn’t support yet that HTML5 youtube player…although I thought FF 3.6 had already some HTML5 abilities, so I cannot test that at all. the other thing is that according to an article I read a while ago, when the whole discussion about HTML5 started, they said the downloading of videos with HTML 5 would still be easier and more undetectable than ever.
So to find out we either need an appropriate extension in Chrome (may be there’s already one), or wait until HTML5 is fully supported in Firefox.

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Here’s one you might want to look at: :slight_smile:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_7c1L-qKWM

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nice video, I’m watching it in Chrome now (via HTML5), thanks for that link Bob :wink:

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don’t know what’s going on exactly with Firefox 3.6, it’s the second time today I read in french articles that 3.6 supports HTML5, and in full screen mode. I think (gotta check that, not sure) the release notes mention that too. So why the hell is Firefox not supported by that YouTube HTML5 player ???

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Your welcome Logos. :slight_smile:
Maybe because You Tube and Chrome have something in common which Firefox obviously does not ??? ;D

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don’t know if you were joking but it’s either something like that, technical, or Google purposely restricted the reading of HTML5 videos in YouTube to Chrome…Safari should work too, and IE with Chrome frame.

Right now we support browsers that support both the tag in HTML5 and the h.264 video codec. These include: 
* Google Chrome
* Apple Safari (version 4+)
* Microsoft Internet Explorer with Chrome Frame installed</blockquote>
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Although Firefox 3.5, 3.6, etc supports the html 5 video tag the browser doesn’t support the H.264 codec used by Youtube and now vimeo.

Firefox 3.6 supports html5, but not the codec (patents, licensing problems, closed source world) that is necessary and being used by Google/Youtube.

Firefox is not supported by Youtube HTML 5 because of PATENTS AND LICENSING PROBLEMS

Check this bug

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=495340

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thanks for the link to that bug report. Anyway, I’ve been able to play streaming H.264 videos in Firefox (Dailymotion). Codec is integrated to flashplayer (?) : http://blogs.adobe.com/accessibility/2007/12/new_flash_player_with_msaa_on.html

…or may be Firefox is using OSS codec to read that ??? (Ogg Theora)

article here seems to confirm that Firefox doesn’t support h.264: http://www.infoq.com/news/2010/01/youtube-html5 but again, how come I can read Dailymotion videos in Firefox that all run the h.264 codec…

interesting:

* Apple refuses to implement Ogg Theora in Quicktime by default (as used by Safari), citing lack of hardware support and an uncertain patent landscape. * Google has implemented H.264 and Ogg Theora in Chrome, but cannot provide the H.264 codec license to third-party distributors of Chromium, and have indicated a belief that Ogg Theora's quality-per-bit is not yet suitable for the volume handled by YouTube. * Opera refuses to implement H.264, citing the obscene cost of the relevant patent licenses. * Mozilla refuses to implement H.264, as they would not be able to obtain a license that covers their downstream distributors.
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Hi Logos,

I am just anxious to hear from you what is the relation of HTML5 and embedding and downloading. I saw postings of webmaster questioning how they could restrict the users to only viewing and to prevent embedding and linking (Flash is no longer used)? I know there are parties that want this restriction applied generally and prohibit embedding and downloading alltogether (we are in the days of transition to more restrictive user policies because of commercial interests- where they also risk to shoot themselves in the foot by alieneating the user even further, as some also would like to restrict linking, blogging etc. etc… I have come upon a site recently where as a precaution matter (because of rights of third parties) the e-book download was only in text format and the pictures were all greyed out (book published in the thirties of the previous century). The HTML5-6 quality might be better but the user is not the first priority and the central axis around which it all evolves. Here is one hick-up:

There is no single combination of containers and codecs that works in all HTML5 browsers. To make your video watchable across all of these devices and platforms, you’re going to have to encode your video more than once.
Just think about the implications for the placements of browsers of the above, the common user would prefer that browser that would display all conveniently, and that browser is .........! re: http://diveintohtml5.org/video.html (very instructive and confusing at the same moment)

polonus

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Hi Polonus,

look the thing is as you know that it’s not strictly legal to download videos when there’s not an explicit link to do so, meaning that the author/owner prefers that his work would be streamed only. So, when it’s doable it’s doable, via any FF extension or else, and when it’s not it’s not and I won’t complain about it. Downloading videos on the internet is a technical possibility, not a right :wink: You’re watching what’s been put online by someone who made a video, and the sharing conditions are up to this someone in the end. If HTML5 became a further restriction I don’t really care, but I doubt it. HTML5 for a start shouldn’t allow all the tracking and privacy concerns there has always been with Adobe/Macromedia flash player. Once you’ve cleared your private data in Firefox, there won’t be anything left when using HTML5. Currently you still have to take care of the macromedia folder in your user profile, so that’s already a plus for HTML5… seriously, downloading will always be possible, you’re getting the streaming data, nothing can prevent you from caching it and save it to disk what ever the format is. MediaPlayer can read anything, ON2…FLV…and H264… :wink: That said embedding might be prevented, and that wouldn’t be a good idea, for bloggers…or any other site btw.

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@ Logos

I found this interesting link

http://blog.dailymotion.com/2009/05/27/watch-videowithout-flash/

This is a quote from the article

“The new encoding formats we’re using are Ogg, Theora + Vorbis. They’re not yet as good as other common codecs such as H264, ON2 VP6, but they comprise an open format that is not patented, is free to use, and is supported by the Mozilla foundation (http://blog.wikimedia.org/2009/01/26/mozilla-and-wikimedia-join-forces-to-support-open-video/). So don’t worry - it’s going to improve soon. We have a few tricks to improve the quality, but for the moment re-encoding 300,000 videos in this format forced us to compromise.”

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Does HTML 5 help people with low speed internet? I think so

I am also pleased with the Youtube Feather mode.

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OK thanks, what’s weird when I attempt to download a video from Dailymotion is that is “offers” an H264/MP4 file…but indeed the playing in FF involves flashplayer with whatever codec they want, or HTML5 with as said Ogg/Theora.

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this I don’t know…could be

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Hi ChrisThomas and Logos,

This is also interesting to read. Girorgi Maone mentions about NoScript not blocking- the UI glitch for the

They’ve put an absolutely positioned invisible div (of CSS class video_overlay) right over the movie (and the placeholder), preventing any click from reaching it. [bold by me]
I’m trying to work around, but I’m not sure if it’s worth the effort.

Not
Then later he states:
Greatly mitigated in latest development build 1.9.5.7 Giorgio Maone -- Hackademix
And that is what I like, no obscurities, not hiding the obvious in plain site....that is why standards is for loosers....When I click the download buttons inside a WinCustomize dialog, Firefox is handling the downloads ... - Adds a Full Screen option to the context menu for HTML5 videos....

Another question for which I did not get an answer to here is what if GoogleChrome for watching video’s would become the standard, wouldn’t that not also mean an enormous boost for that particular browser? Aren’t we realizing now that Fx is fighting a battle to keep up with developments and that IE is forced to encapsulate GoogleChrome to be part of it. All these are very elaborate moves in the browser positioning chess-game (sorry video-game). I think the threads here are very informative in this respect as they give the dry and dirty facts on this…

polonus

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Another question for which I did not get an answer to here is what if GoogleChrome for watching video's would become the standard, wouldn't that not also mean an enormous boost for that particular browser?

that’s just what they’re looking for obviously…but there will be reactions, counter-strikes ;D to that I’m sure (OSS…already on the way as mentioned above) … the biggest issue there is that Mozilla is not economically in a very comfortable position, they depend at 80% on Google (ie 80% of Mozilla income comes from Google >>> default home page after a freshly installed Firefox )
The big losers here will be Adobe with Flash and MS with Silverlight.